92: A Holistic Pediatrician Talks Ear Infections, Fevers, & Vaccines

92: A Holistic Pediatrician Talks Ear Infections, Fevers, & Vaccines

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A Holistic Pediatrician Talks Ear Infections, Fevers, & Vaccines with Dr Elisa Song

Many of us dream of finding the perfect holistic pediatrician just a short drive from our homes. It’s not so easy, so today I bring one to you!

Elisa Song, MD, is a holistic pediatrician, pediatric functional medicine expert, and mom of two. In this episode, she tackles all the tough subjects for parents and explains when to bring down a fever and when not to, what to do about ear infections, and what she thinks about vaccines (it may surprise you).

A Holistic Pediatrician, At Your Service

Thankfully, it’s not often that we have to visit the doctor with a sick child over something life-threatening. More than likely we’re visiting our pediatricians over common childhood ailments like cold, cough, fever, flu, sore throats, or … the #1 reason kids go to the doctor … earaches.

In this one-on-one sit down with Dr. Song, I ask all the burning questions that keep us moms up at night (literally).

There is such a wealth of resources in this episode you might want to take notes! To help, I’ve listed most of the natural remedies Dr. Song talks about at the end of the show notes.

In This Episode You’ll Learn:

  • why fevers in children are actually a good thing most of the time … and how to tell when they’re not
  • the reason Dr. Song doesn’t recommend bringing down most fevers
  • if febrile seizures are dangerous, and what to do if one happens
  • when it is ok (and good) to be a couch potato
  • the problem with Tylenol and why Dr. Song recommends ibuprofen instead
  • the 3 atopic diseases of childhood—asthma, allergies, and eczema—and why they’re connected
  • earaches: whether antibiotics are effective and what else you can use
  • how to rehabilitate your child’s gut health after antibiotics
  • the one culprit contributing to almost all chronic ear infections
  • herbs that are proven more effective than antibiotics for ear infections
  • why homeopathy isn’t quack medicine
  • how to use essential oils safely for fevers, chills, colds, and other common kid ailments
  • the acupressure point on the hand that helps with earaches
  • the supplements Dr. Song recommends for all her patients for general health and immunity
  • whether Vitamin D 25 hydroxy levels really need supplementation in children, and what levels to aim for
  • one simple tip to stop your kids from getting a cold or illness (to try after school, parties, etc.)
  • Dr. Song’s take on the flu shot and other ideas about fighting flu
  • gut dysbiosis: what it is and why we should know about it
  • Dr. Song’s “5-R” healing program for children with chronic health conditions
  • why eczema and asthma may be autoimmune in nature
  • the things that can trigger eczema or asthma and how to figure it out
  • what to do internally and topically for eczema and skin problems
  • how to do an elimination diet for your child

Resources We Mention:

Dr. Song’s Links


Whole Family Wellness

Dr. Song’s (Incredibly Awesome!) List of Natural Remedies

General Health

Vitamin D drops (60-80 = ideal levels)
Fish oil or cod liver oil (3-6-9 blend for eczema)
Broad-spectrum probiotics
Nasal irrigation (Neti Pot or Xlear)



Ear Infections

Garlic ear drops
Ferrum phosphoricum, belladonna, and other homeopathics
Elderberry syrup
Peppermint essential oil
Lavender essential oil

Flu Season Immunity

Blog: Should My Kids Get the Flu Vaccine?
Windbreaker (Chinese herbal formula)
Elderberry syrup
Umcka syrup
Vitamin C
Vitamin D
Hydration (bone broth, chamomile or lemon balm tea)
Warm, easy-to-digest food
Large intestine 11 acupressure point
Lavender EO (calming, sleep)
Peppermint EO (cooling for fever)
Cinnamon EO (shivers and chills)
Thyme EO (mucus and congestion)

Eczema/Itching, Asthma, or Allergies

Lactobacillus rhamnosus probiotic (check out Metagenics chewables)
Elimination diet / diet rotation
The “5-R” program for gut health
Magnesium (epsom salt baths, magnesium body butter or oil)
Calendula topical ointment
Fish oil (3-6-9 blend)

What did you think of today’s episode? What would you ask a holistic pediatrician like Dr. Song?

Special Thanks to Today’s Sponsors

This episode is sponsored by Kettle and Fire Bone Broth. If you love the benefits of bone broth but don’t love the time it takes to make and how tough it can be to find quality bones to make it, Kettle and Fire is for you! Their bone broth is a regular staple in my kitchen these days, and it was what I used to create the recipes in my new bone broth e-book (releasing later this year).

So they use only bones from 100% grass-fed pasture raised cattle that are never given hormones and antibiotics. It’s also unique because they focus on bones that are especially high in collagen, which is one of the healthiest things you can put in your body. You can find them in many Whole Foods on the west coast and you can also order online at KettleAndFire.com/WellnessMama

This episode is also sponsored by Plant Therapy. There are so many options out there when it comes to essential oils and I’ve used a lot of them over the years. Now I most often turn to Plant Therapy because they have a large assortment of organic oils and a whole lot of kid-safe blends. (It doesn’t hurt that they also have really good prices!) Their oils have no additives or synthetic ingredients and they publish their testing results for all of their oils so you can verify the quality.

Their kid-safe blends are formulated by Robert Tisserand, who is largely considered one of the foremost experts in essential oil safety, so I feel I can trust him. If you want to check them out, right now they’re running some big sales that are changing daily. Go to wellnessmama.com/go/oils to get all the current discounts.

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  1. This was the best podcast ever!! Bring her back with more Q&A regarding children health and how we mommas can help our children naturally and what remedies worked… I like how she told us specifics!!

  2. This was definitely an amazing podcast!! Thank you for interviewing Dr. Song.
    And I agree with Janiel… please interview Dr. Song again! 🙂
    Katie, thank you also for all the helpful show notes. They are so valuable to me!

  3. Amazing podcast!

    Any suggestions on homeopathic dosages for kindergarteners?

  4. This was the best podcast I’ve heard so far (although all your podcasts are amazing!!)! Thank you thank you thank you!! I would love to hear more from this Doc! Bless you for all you do!!!

  5. This was SUCH an informative podcast!! LOVED IT!

  6. What a fantastic podcast! So much valuable information. I’ve been on a search for a Pediatric MD with a holistic approach and unfortunately there is nobody in my area (CT). I will be following dr.Song through her blogs and social media. Thank you Katie!

  7. I really loved this podcast. I listened to it twice today while driving! I’m super grateful that she gave specifics on homeopathic remedies. While breast feeding my son he kept getting ear infections and I would take him to the Ped who kept wanting to just give antibiotics. I didn’t agree so I took him to a chiropractor for small adjustments and it would help but not heal. I’m new to all this but found a podcast where a nurse suggested taking dairy out of my diet and switching ALL of his baby products to toxic free. I did both and his ear infections completely cleared up. Thank you for listing the her suggested remedies and prevention at the end of the podcast! You’re awesome!

  8. This episode was great! My son has had eczema since he was born – he is now 2. I have not been able to find any definite direction for what I can do to not just relieve the itching, but to actually heal it. This episode gave me hope, and I am so thankful!

    Some of the links above, point to supplements that look as though they’re for adults or kids over 4. Can you point me in the right direction to find supplements that’ll work for a 2 year old with eczema?

    Your website is my go-to whenever my kids are sick, and I’m looking for a natural remedy. Thank you for all you do!

  9. Just FYI, I thought you were linking to a probiotic here (listed above):
    Lactobacillus rhamnosus probiotic (check out Metagenics chewables)

    So I ordered it thinking it was probiotic, but received it and realized its a multivitamin :(. Do you recommend the probiotic from Metagenics then? UltraFlora Children’s?

  10. Yes, this was an awesome podcast. Would love a follow-up one to discuss Type 1 Diabetes and other common concerns she experiences in her practice. All the podcasts are awesome by the way. You really do a great job of finding people that are genuine, informative, interesting, and practical. Your site is the only one I will reference if I need to do some research on certain health topics because I know what you post and who you interview are the real deal and top of the line. I love that you provide all the links to the websites, products, and books that were discussed because I always follow up on those too. Would be interested in you doing a post on what you are reading or taking these days. I liked reading your Reviews page. Would like an update!

  11. Thanks so much for what ur doing. I’ve personally learned alot from u and making my family healthier by changing the way I look at ingredients in food and products.

    In listening to the pod cast with dr Song I like the idea of flushING kids noses out. I looked at the saline I was currently using little remedies and discovered that the one in the squeeze bottle (bc my son is one and it will drip on vs spraying up nose) has benzalkonium chloride and about 8 other ingredients that I’m sure r not good for baby. I saw were u mentioned kids xlear nasal spray. I purchased and realized it has xylitol in it and I remembered u did a post and how this is not good for u. Is it ok to put xylitol up ur nose but not eat?

  12. Katie – I want to offer my heart-felt gratitude and thanks for the interview you hosted with Dr. Song. As I listened, I was in awe of Dr. Song’s expertise, and the personable way in which she conveyed her vast knowledge. I have one child with asthma, and two children with food allergies. I feel equipped to enter into this cold and flu season with greater confidence and tools available to tangibly and proactively serve and support my kids. I have taken notes and will return to this content as a valuable resource.

  13. I really appreciate this episode (and the podcast as a whole). I’m going to have my partner listen because he is always concerned about fevers. I just have one query- I do not historically get the flu shot because I feel like it hurts my immune system more than it helps. However, last year I came down with the flu and was out of the office for a week. When I came back my boss at the time asked if I had gotten the flu shot and I replied that I hadn’t, and I just got this icky feeling that he disapproved of me taking so much sick time and “burdening” the rest of the staff with a sickness that he considered preventable. It was the first time I felt like I wasn’t going to have leave time approved if a shot could have prevented it. Have other people encountered this and how would you respond?

    • Contrary to what was said in this interview, flu shots are not always free of mercury. Multidose vials, which are very common, still use mercury. The State of California issued a letter claiming it had to use mercury containing flu vaccines on children along with the apparently false claim they could not obtain doses without mercury. https://www.naturalnews.com/052142_flu_shots_mercury_in_vaccines_California_child_safety_laws.html

      Flu shots may also be connected to increased miscarriage rates. These flu vaccines used mercury. http://www.collective-evolution.com/2017/09/19/cdc-study-shows-up-to-7-7-times-the-risk-of-miscarriage-after-influenza-vaccine/

      Your boss is probably grossly ignorant of the risks of flu vaccines and their ineffectiveness. If you think the boss has half a brain, maybe sharing some of the links above will help in understanding that it is not reliable and has safety problems.

    • Flu shots are extremely ineffective at preventing flu. They only have much chance of working if the flu virus variants selected are the ones that are common that flu season, and they often don’t get those right. Even if they do, the viruses can mutate in the wild so the vaccine doesn’t match any more.

      Even more problematic is how the manufacturing method used mutates the viruses so they are not the same as the strains selected. Given this, there is little chance of effectiveness. https://www.scripps.edu/news/press/2017/20171030wilson.html

      What flu vaccines are effective at is impairing the immune system and raising the rates of upper respiratory tract infections. http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2013/03/study-getting-flu-shot-2-years-row-may-lower-protection http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404712/

    • To prevent the worse results of flu, there are a lot of things you could do. For starters, you should be trying to keep your vitamins A and D levels up and consider using antiviral herbs such as lomatium root, which is known for enabling the American Indian tribes using it to escape the ravages of the 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic. http://debrasnaturalgourmet.com/lomatium-root-possibly-the-best-anti-viral/

      Vitamin C can also help provide the antioxidants your immune system needs to use ROS (reactive oxygen species) to attack pathogens without destroying its own cells, so take a gram or so of vitamin C a few times a day if you think you are getting sick.

      NAC (N-acetyl cysteine) and selenocysteine (a safer anirmal form of selenium combined with cysteine) can help your body produce more glutathione which is also good for immune function and helps to break up mucus. This podcast mentioned some, but not all, of this info.

  14. I live being natural and learning how to clean natural and keep my family healthy by living as organic and holistic as possible.

  15. You might make the actual podcast more visible. I scrolled all the way down and all the way up several times before I saw it! LOL

    • Thanks for the suggestion, Sarah! We put it right at the top so it’s hopefully the first thing people see. We appreciate the feedback as we want to create the best user experience for you!

  16. Thank you for this podcast! So helpful. What is the 3-6-9 blend for fish oil? Also what flavor do you recommend? The peppermint one burned my one year old and 2 year old’s lips and made them all red.

  17. Thank you for this wealth of information. I will certainly pass the information along to family and friends.

  18. Thank you so much for this! Any info for strep throat, what to do, best treatment?

  19. Dr. Song mentions 3 pellets= 1 dose for any age. Check out her blog posts entitled What is Homeopathy part 1 and part 2.

  20. Contrary to what was said in this interview, flu shots are not always free of mercury. Multidose vials, which are very common, still use mercury. The State of California issued a letter claiming it had to use mercury containing flu vaccines on children along with the apparently false claim they could not obtain doses without mercury. https://www.naturalnews.com/052142_flu_shots_mercury_in_vaccines_California_child_safety_laws.html

    Flu shots may also be connected to increased miscarriage rates. These flu vaccines used mercury. http://www.collective-evolution.com/2017/09/19/cdc-study-shows-up-to-7-7-times-the-risk-of-miscarriage-after-influenza-vaccine/

  21. Hi Katie – I loved this interview. Do you know of any relatively unbiased resources on vaccines? My 1-year old is not vaccinated but am wondering if there is ever a point when she should get some – and which ones those would be. I want to be well informed/do the research for my own understanding. Thanks!

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