059: Heather Dessinger on Goals, Parenting & Saunas

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059: Heather Dessinger on Goals, Parenting & Saunas

Katie and Heather from Mommypotamus.com sit down for the first ever SaunaCast. Why the name? They recorded this episode from inside a sauna (in the thirty minutes before they tapped out from the heat!).

In This Episode, They Discuss:

  • Why they are recording inside a 153 degree sauna in the first place
  • What their kids got for Christmas (hint: experiences as gifts)
  • A fun way to give experiences with a physical gift
  • What they think is the most important skill to teach children in today’s world
  • The reason Katie isn’t making any goals or resolutions this year
  • The value of experiments over goals for certain personality types
  • Why they both have (and love) saunas
  • The benefits of Sauna Therapy
  • 6 tips for starting sauna use
  • When fasting is a good thing
  • Katie & Heather’s recommend infrared sauna

Resources Mentioned:

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Katie: Welcome to the “Healthy Moms Podcast.” I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com. And I’m so
excited today because I get to introduce my co-host for the first time and she is one of my
favorite people on the planet. And, she also has an amazing blog and has so much knowledge
on so many really awesome topics that I think this is gonna be really fun. But also, just because
she’s my favorite person to talk about health stuff.

And so, we’re gonna let you guys into the conversation. And if you guys don’t know who it is, it’s
Heather from mommypotamus.com. She’s amazing. If you haven’t checked out her blog, you
need to. But it’s gonna be so much fun to chat with her today.

Heather: Oh, gosh, with an intro like that, I think it can only go downhill from here. I don’t know
if I can meet those expectations but I’m really glad to be here.

Katie: It’s gonna be fun and we’re probably gonna be awkward for, like, two minutes because we
don’t normally record our conversations.

Heather: No.

Katie: But then hopefully, we’ll get in the groove and we also just said… So, we’re coming to you
from a sauna because we both sauna, and we thought it’ll be fun, and also limit our talking if
we… Because you can only stay in a sauna so long.

Heather: That’s right.

Katie: To keep us from going on forever but… So we’re coming from a sauna. So this is
“SaunaCast Episode 1.” But we were just saying we should also maybe do “WineCast” in
between, which could also lead to fun conversations.

Heather: Super fun conversations.

Katie: So if you guys are listening to this then it is the beginning of the year in 2017. So I thought
it’ll be fun to jump in and just talk about Christmas because we just got through Christmas. And
I know, Heather, you and I, are on the same page a lot about Christmas.

Heather: Yeah.

Katie: And giving experiences. So do you wanna talk about what your family did this year?

Heather: Sure. So, well, we live in a very small house since we moved to the country, about a
really small farmhouse. I Kon Maried my house a couple of years ago and I did keep my iron,
even though it does not bring me joy, along with a lot of other things that don’t bring me joy.

But that whole experience in living in a small house has been really amazing because we
learned how much stuff was affecting our daily life. Just kind of clubering not just our rooms but
like our thoughts because there was so much effort to maintain things. So, with our kids, even
when we’re giving them gifts, we really try to focus on experiential gifts and gifts that build

So like, for example this year, we gave our kids archery sets so they’re gonna be learning
archery. And that may not be like a lifelong skill that they necessarily need but, I think, the really
cool thing about those kinds of gifts is that you begin to give them the skill of acquiring skills.
At least as a parent, I don’t feel like I know how to prepare my kids for what’s coming because
the world keeps, like, changing and then you figure it out and then it changes again. And so, I
don’t really know what skill to give them to get them prepared for the future. And so, I’ve really
focused on just helping them acquire whatever it is they need. So, you know, in that sense,
archery is just as good as just about anything else. Although, there are some essentials like
cooking that we’re also focusing on. And so, most of our gifts were like that. So like archery sets,
sewing, and music, and stuff like that. So things that they can take with them, skills that they
can build into experiences. And also, I mean like music is amazing because we’ll be doing like
lible family music things, I won’t sing.

Katie: Yeah, I don’t sing either.

Heather: Yes, but…

Katie: Yeah, I love that. I think you said that today earlier and that’s an amazing point about
teaching them to learn new skills.

Heather: Yeah.

Katie: Because I had never thought about that. But that’s probably, at least from, my own
childhood, one of the things I’m most grateful for, that my parents did. Was like let me have the
freedom to learn new skills and to learn that I could learn new skills. And you said your mom did
that also with you.

Heather: Yeah, she really did. She modeled that. She was very much like it never occurred to her
that there was something that she couldn’t figure out if she needed to. And I loved growing up
in that and having that modeled for me. So what you guys did for Christmas?

Katie: Yeah, similar. So I know we’ll link to it. I know you and I both have been checking out
Udemy for all the courses because it’s amazing. Like you can find topnotch people in almost
anything that teach courses on it. So in the last year, we’ve done as a family, like learning how to
solve Rubik’s Cubes and learning… There’s a really fun one on chess that was fun to learn and
our kids are doing ones on coding and so… Like finding things that are supportive of that.

So for my son, he’s really getting into robotics and so there’s robots that you can program with a
computer. So it’s a very hands-on way to learn programming languages and things like that, and
then we have talked about getting into the archery. I think we’re gonna wait until the kids are a
little older just because our younger couple tend to be a little…

Heather: Yeah.

Katie: But the older ones would love that. So my husband is really into camping and outdoorsy
stuff. So from him, all the kids got like legit backpacking backpacks that they could take when
they travel but filled with outdoorsy, camping stuff. And everything from compasses, to like a
lantern, or emergency blankets, and all the things they might need. So, he even, last year, did a
trip with them where they stayed out in the woods for a few days with no tent, and no
electricity, and no water. They, like, cleaned water from a river to drink it. Like they caught a
rabbit and ate it. It was very much… And that’s their type of thing so.

Heather: And did you stay at home with the baby and snuggle while they were doing this?

Katie: Absolutely. Although, we did go visit, I took the little kids to visit…

Heather: Awesome.

Katie: …during the day. But, yeah, I wasn’t gonna try to sleep in a makeshift, pine-straw tent
with a baby.

Heather: No, no. When you have a baby, you just sleep when you can sleep.

Katie: Exactly. Yeah, in fact, she slept almost 10 hours last night by herself and it was that the
first time that’s happened. So I’m super energetic today.

Heather: Yeah. You know like you joked that we share a brain sometimes? But we actually did
the robotics thing this year as well to worked on coding.

Katie: I didn’t even know that.

Heather: And I may have gotten that from your holiday gift guide, that idea.

Katie: Awesome. But I think we’re both doing the digital photography one too.

Heather: Yes.

Katie: My oldest daughter is doing that and all of yours are doing that, right?

Heather: Mm-hmm. Well, no oldest two. My young son is napping, that’s when we do most of
our skill building stuff. The archery, he’s gonna participate in. But most of it is a lot easier to
work with just the older two.

Katie: And you did it so awesome so you could wrap up like the keyboard for the music or the
sewing machine for the sewing. Like you can wrap up the physical part of it.

Heather: Right.

Katie: And then the skill part like actually keeps them interested in Christmas gift all year, which
how often does that happen?

Heather: Exactly.

Katie: Yeah. I’m excited. I’m like, hopefully, I can be consistent in keeping them consistent with
it. I feel like it’s made my life easier actually because like with the digital photography, I gave
them old cameras that we had that we weren’t even using. And to them, it’s the most amazing
thing ever and they’re learning. And especially, since we both blog, if we have kids that end up
good at digital photography, how awesome would that be?

Heather: Exactly. I know. Like with my daughter and we’re working on skills in the kitchen and
stuff and, like, she’s my little sous-chef now. She’s helping me recipe test and I love that.

Katie: Oh, on that note, okay. So how much do you love the “Kids Cook Real Food Course” from
Katie Kimball? I am in love with that course.

Heather: Absolutely do. You know, my kids if you hear them, they actually like… What is the
word? There are some phrases like “up and over soldier” and stuff like that just… My nine-year-old
works with my three-year-olds. And I’ll just catch them in the kitchen like making a snack or
something and they’re using those phrases. Because, you know, Katie’s course, it really does like
stick in their heads. It’s just, you know, like you teach them once and you think that you’re just
gonna have to be going over it and going over it. But she’s so good at what she does. She’s like…
I don’t know, she just stays with them and it has really, really been a good thing for our family.
Like we’ve gone from that family where you’re like, you’re letting your kids “help you.”

Katie: Right.

Heather: Like the “helping” where you’re like dying because you just wanna get through dinner
and like get everything wrapped up for the day. To where you’re like just, sort of, sitting back
and watching it, kind of, mostly unfold. And it’s just really, really great. I love that class.

Katie: Seriously. We both have been cooking for a long time. I didn’t think it was gonna be new
to me but she teaches it in such a fun way that I’m enjoying the class. And like I wanna be at
Mrs. Kimball’s class.

Heather: No kidding. Like I remember when Katie and I first met, I was afraid to cut food in front
of her because I had no…

Katie: Oh, gosh.

Heather: …knife skills. I mean like I was basically just hacking my food when no one was looking.
And so, the class has been really helpful to me as well. And actually, this year, I got to be a
grownup. I’ve had the same set of knives since I was a newlywed and this year, I finally
upgraded to a set of real, like all-professional knives. And so, my dull knives they were actually a
little bit more dangerous because you really did have to hack things. So this has been the year of
just, kind of, like actually developing those skills and embracing them. And now my, kids actually
can use these super sharp, like professional knives in a safe way so it blows me away.

Katie: Yeah, that was amazing. Like I think you saw it when we were getting lunch ready a few
minutes ago and our two daughters were cutting Brussel sprouts and strawberries. And like a
decent amount of both of them, and they just did it with sharp knives, and it was great.

Heather: And we were like, just on the other side of the kitchen lane.

Katie: Yeah.

Heather: Was saddling with the baby and…

Katie: We were like holding the babies and yeah.

Heather: …mostly just I’m helping the baby defy gravity who’s throwing things on the floor and
me… You know?

Katie: The gravity thing?

Heather: Yeah.

Katie: Yeah, actually, that’s a good point too. So, a friend of mine, who has a bunch of kids, she
made a great point about that. Because with one of my older kids, every time they would do
that, I’d be like, “Oh, stop dropping things on the floor.” She was like, “You have to think about it
from their perspective.” They’re learning about the world and they’re actually conducting an
experiment about gravity, which is what they should be learning from that experiment. But all
they’re learning if you’re getting mad is that, “This makes Mom mad” then you’re actually
stunting their, like, ability to experiment. And so that really reframed for me of like trying to be
pa3ent with that.

I feel kind of dumb but my mom did this for me and I’m grateful. Like even when they’re little
and 10 months old, explain like, “Look that’s gravity that makes it fall.” And like, of course,
they’re not repeating that word but it’s like, those seeds are in there somewhere.

Heather: Right.

Katie: And it causes them to ask questions and to want to understand the world instead of just
like, “Oh, don’t throw things on the floor.”

Heather: Somebody finally told me that. I think it was like I was three babies in by the time
someone explained that to me. But they were like, “You know children are basically…babies are
like little scientists and they’re just testing you and experimenting.” And I definitely see that now
looking back And it’s really cute but it’s also cuter when it’s your baby because it’s your floor.

Katie: Yeah.

Heather: And at night, you sleep.

Katie: That’s right. That’s excellent. Awesome. Okay. So, like, let’s move in forward. So, now, it’s
the New Year when people are hearing this. For us, it’s not quite yet but what are your goals or
resolutions for next year?

Heather: Oh, okay. So my not-serious goals are things like stop spelling things in front of my kids
because my kids can spell now. And I just need to really break that habit because they’re
figuring it all out. And, oh gosh, I don’t know. I didn’t prepare for that one.

Katie: Oh, sorry, that was, yeah.

Heather: No, that’s okay. I just don’t…

Katie: I don’t think….

Heather: I just don’t know. What are my goals? Well, I do have a super-secret project that I
haven’t actually gone public with yet. But I’m in the middle of getting it ready and I can’t wait to
share it. So, I don’t know. Maybe that’s a little too esoteric. And then, that’s it.

Katie: I can’t say anything but I can’t wait to share your project either because it’s awesome.

Heather: All right. So, what are your goals? Let’s deflect.

Katie: So, more family time because I’m inherently bad at that. I’ve been trying to actually like
really evaluate our family recently and I’ve realized… So we did the 23andMe testing. I know you
guys have too. And it turns out my husband and I are both homozygous for the MAO-A, which is
they call the “Warrior Gene.” Which means, sorry kids, they have all got it because we’re double
for it.

But one of the things is it makes you very driven and very type A, which we certainly both are.
And so, for a long time we worked because we had to absolutely and we still, obviously, do have
to work. But when it was a point of like literally putting food on the table or not putting food on
the table, we stayed up all night and worked. And we worked constantly and, like, we still were
involved with our kids but not to the level I would like us to be.

Heather: Yeah.

Katie: And so, trying to make family time that doesn’t involve work. Like not just a family
vacation but a family vacation to Florida that doesn’t involve us working three hours a day still.
And just really prioritizing that. And also, realizing both of our personalities, we don’t… Like
think I mentioned this to you earlier but both of us don’t like to fail at things because of the
“Warrior Gene.” We have to win.

And so, in the past my husband never liked to set goals because he felt like it was…like it’s too
high stakes if you can… If you fail at a goal, you lose and whereas like… So we have decided this
year was gonna be the year of experiments. We’re not gonna have goals where if you didn’t
accomplish it, it’s bad. We’re gonna have experiments where, like, let’s see where the result is
and this is what we think or like our hypothesis is gonna be. But if it doesn’t happen, we just
learn from it.

Heather: Yeah.

Katie: And that has helped to like reframe it.

Heather: I really like that, that’s really cool. Because you are looking… I mean we’re all scientists
like not just babies. And if we look at it from the standpoint of experimenting and being willing
to maybe get a result that wasn’t what we were going for, but you can always learn something.
That’s a cool way to frame it.

You just reminded me of a goal I have and that is, since I do actually sit in the sauna like almost
every day, I’ve listened to every podcast I love and I’m already done. And now, I’m actually
pouring through all my books and so almost through with all of those that were on my list. And
so, I’m going through Carol Tuble’s book on personality types of kids, like energy types.

Katie: Awesome.

Heather: And I am working to identify all of my kids’ energy types. Because like you said, one of
the things that I’m always trying to dial in, but especially this year, is like connecting with my
kids. As they get older, they’re becoming more and more their own people. And I’m trying to
figure out how to help them be comfortable with who they really are. Because I think all of us
have gone through that journey where we try on different skins and we try to figure out how we
fit into the world and what our skills are. I’d like to be able to honor what it is my kids are and
help them build that at an earlier age than you know? Because for a while, I really fought my
nerdy, introverted, sciency nature. And really tried to be what I thought I was supposed to be.
So, I’m going to be going through that whole book. It’s like my husband burned it on DVD for me
or a CD, it’s like five CDs. So I’ll be getting through that, and trying to identify that with my kids,
and relate to them more specifically than I have right now. It’s kind of like not Blinkist approach.
But there’s like three of them, there’s one of me, you know? Sometimes, I just do what I have to

Katie: No, it’s so true. Yeah, it’s, kind of, like optimizing motherhood. Because I feel like with the
kids, it’s like you figure one out and you think you’ve figured out motherhood. And then you
have another one and they’re totally different then you have to figure out motherhood all over

Heather: Completely.

Katie: And so that when you have like three or six, like you are parenting in six different ways…
Heather: And then they change. They don’t even stay the same people.

Katie: Exactly. Yeah. I think that’s gonna be a lot of grace for my own parents realizing that,
obviously, parents do the best they can and that like obviously… Like my parents were so good
in so many areas. And the areas that I wish they had done differently, it’s just my personal
opinion on these things.

Heather: Right.

Katie: And like giving them the grace of realizing they really were awesome parents too.
Heather: Yes. I definitely had those moments where I just needed to email my mom and say
thank you again. Or just like reframe something from the past and express my gratitude because
she was super patient with me. And it’s a hard job.

Katie: Yeah.

Heather: I see that now.

Katie: It is a hard job. It’s so true. And so, if we sound stressed, we should point out, it’s 153
degrees in here and we’re like dripping sweat. So if we sound like we’re stressed, that would be

Heather: Yes.

Katie: Let’s transition and talk about saunas then because maybe people are wondering why the
heck are we sitting in a 153-degree box right now.

Heather: Yeah. Okay, why are we sitting in here? Well, you know, I have always joked with you
that I should start a second blog called “Things Katie Made Me Do.” Because you have talked me
into some crazy things. Not just this podcast but like cryotherapy and some other really, really
loud stuff.

I actually remember, I got my first sauna acer reading your podcast. It was a little portable
sauna on the benefits of heat therapy and I ended up loving it so much that… But I was, kind of,
hunched over in the sauna and like…

Katie: A little claustrophobic?

Heather: A little. And not only that, but like it was in my living room so I was like… It was
awkward. Let’s just say it was awkward when people stopped by. So anyway, we ended up
investing in one and it’s been my… It’s up there with my top two. It’s like when you have kids
and you can’t pick a favorite child. So like I have two favorite purchases I have ever made of all
time for my personal wellbeing. That’s my bed and my sauna. And it’s so amazing for everything
from stress reduction to…

Well, I mean there’s the scientific side where we’re talking about like the production of heat
shock proteins. And we know that like people who live past 100, they have a genetic change,
like a gene3c mutation that allows them to produce more heat shock proteins. And we know
that even in worms… What are those worms? The C. elegans worms?

Katie: Yeah. I don’t know to pronounce it.

Heather: I don’t either.

Katie: That’s the problem thing is a blogger… Is all these words that you read and then you have
to say them out loud and you’re like, “Uh.”

Heather: Oh, my, gosh. Do you know how many times my husband has stopped me in the
middle of a cooking video to be like, “I don’t think you say it that way.” I’ll be like, “I’m sorry, I’m
trying to cook and not burn this.” Anyway, but, yeah, like they found that. They exposed those
little worms and they extended their lifespan by like 30% by elevating their levels of heat shock
proteins. So for me, it’s not just about longevity. It’s about biological age. It’s about being the
best version of myself at every stage of my life. Because I am very much a type A, grab-life-by-the horns kind of person. And I need to be in top form to be able to do that.

Katie: Yeah. Well, I’ve always thought it’s interesting because I used to love… I still love the heat
but I’ve gotten also more cold tolerant in my old age. But just the researching of how… You think
about it logically. Until even just pretty recently and in some countries even… I mean in
countries and even states even now, like you don’t have a stable temperature all year. Like this is
actually a pretty odd thing that we have the ability to be temperature stable all year long. And
there’s a lot of researchers who say that that’s actually negative and it’s having a harmful effect
on our DNA over the long term. Because we’re not being exposed to these things that we adapt
to or like cause our body to have certain physiological changes that are good for you.

Heather: I know. I feel like it’s so true in like so many different areas. Like, we have achieved
stability and now, we’re sort of learning that certain types of stability are maybe compatible
with our biology. So like we’re not necessarily supposed to be in the same temperate
environment all year long and then there’s other stuff. Like we’re used to all feast and no fast,
like no famine kind of mentality where there’s not seasons of lean times and then seasons of
abundance with food and stuff. But that’s historically not how we worked. And I just have been
reading up a lot on how fasting, on occasion, can activate certain metabolic things in the body
to like trigger cleanup mode in the body. And are you checking temperature?

Katie: Yeah. I’m just making sure the recorder is not melting.

Heather: Yeah. So we’re melting and we don’t want the recorder to. Yeah, that makes sense. But
it feels like in every season of life, like our bodies are designed to go through periods of
abundance and then periods of leanness. And that actually has like a function in the body
where during those times of leanness, the body cleans up and begins to get rid of stuff like
excess waste and junk. And, you know, same thing with heat. Like it triggers that same cleanup
mode. But if we’re always comfortable like in our own lives, it’s just like in your personal growth.
If you’re always comfortable, you’re not really growing or adapting. And if our bodies are always
comfortable, they’re not being triggered to do those things that ultimately draw us towards
greater health.

Katie: Yeah, exactly. And I think for me, at least, the heat and the sauna is easier than the cold
therapy. Like I can do the cryotank for a couple of minutes but these people who take ice baths
for an hour, I just…I’m not there yet at all, like even remotely close to there so. Like cold showers
are still like a mental game for me so.

Heather: Yeah. I think I almost texted you the photo of me doing snow angels last year in the
snow. Because I know your husband has, kind of, teased me about my fear of the cold and stuff
but you’re right. I mean when it comes to cryotherapy, I can handle a couple of minutes but I
much prefer the heat.

Katie: Yeah. And I think, at least, my husband is the exact opposite. Like if I get in the sauna with
him, 10 minutes, he’s good, he’s still talking. Anything more that and he’s like just lying there like
looking. And especially if like it’s cool outside, just like longingly looking out the door with like,
“Please, cold air.”

Heather: Yeah, mine’s the same way.

Katie: Yeah. So okay. Did you have a question somebody had asked you related to sauna since
we’re on the topic about showering or something?

Heather: Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. All right. So, I did get a question about whether or not I…how
long I take. That would be my dog running into the sauna. How long I shower, wait to actually do
like cleansing and not just rinsing, and the answer is… more I sauna. So this is kind of like
vitamin D thinking in reverse. Like there are a lot of experts who think that when your skin is
exposed to the sun, vitamin D is produced on the surface. And that you should give it a period
of time, some people say two hours, some people say two days, to absorb into the bloodstream.
So that you’re not rinsing off the vitamin D that your body just made. Some people disagree
with that and say the body makes…the skin makes it under the surface but that’s like a whole
another podcast.

But for me, I think there’s definitely a ton of PubMed, like, accessible research that says that our
bodies sweat out like heavy metals, and xenotoxins, and all kinds of stuff. And so, you know, I
wash with soap like immediately as soon as I get out. Because the last thing I want is to make
the effort to sweat all this stuff out and then to reabsorb it so.

Katie: Yeah.

Heather: Right away, that’s when I do it, right away.

Katie: What’s your normal sauna routine like? I think you are better about it doing it every day
then I am so.

Heather: Oh, my, gosh. You know, I think for some people who have like a nutritional deficit that
they’re working to replenish, some3ties they crave things until that deficit is met. But I got my
sauna a few months ago and I’ve literally been in it probably almost every day. Maybe I’ve
skipped a few days just because our schedule didn’t work out. But like for me, it’s been an
almost everyday thing because my body just…I feel amazing when I get out.

So, I usually like do it toward the end of the day. It’s a transition between like late afternoon
when my kids have done their activities whether that’s… Well, it’ll be like bow hunting or
whatever it is we’re doing, I’m not sure. And then transitioning toward dinner. They usually play
pretty well at that point of in day so I let them just… They’re right outside the window. Or I
sneak off if my husband’s home and just do a 30 to 40 minute session and, yeah, it’s great. How
about you?

Ka3e: Yeah, that would be my ideal. Although, I don’t think I’ve worked up as much to the
temperatures you have. I think you’re beating me there for sure but we try to sneak out. It’s a
little harder because we’re trying to do it together to get away from all the kids. But we’re up to
like 20 minutes roughly, like most days, or at least like four days a week which I noticed the
difference from that. So I can only imagine doing it every day.

Heather: Yeah.

Katie: That’s gotta be a great feeling.

Heather: And know they say that like really over 30 minutes, there’s not, like, a measurable
benefit. For me, that just seems to be what feels right to me. And this is definitely one of those
things that you just will listen to your body. There isn’t like a rule or a schedule that any one
person…that’s gonna be like a one-size-fits-all for everyone.

Katie: But it is cool because I think in your post, you talked about like you can literally burn how
many hundred calories just sitting?

Heather: Yeah. So the research says like 600 in about 30 minutes which is awesome.

Katie: You can’t do that running and I would much rather sit here and die of heat than run, so.

Heather: Also, there’s a great Harvard article that just basically says, I mean, that there is a
passive cardio aspect to it that really does benefit the cardiovascular system. Like your heart is
really pumping and you’re getting a similar effect as to what you do when you’re doing, you
know, real cardio.

Katie: Right. Which along those lines then, we should probably say like there’s some things that
you wanna do then while you’re sauna-ing because you are sweating more than you realize. So
like what do you do while you’re in the sauna to not dehydrate and all that?

Heather: Yeah. I usually bring in some kind of electrolyte-rich drink. So whether that’s water
with like a generous pinch of salt or our homemade electrolyte drink. I know you have a recipe
on your blog and I do too.

Katie: Yeah.

Heather: They’re very similar. And then sometimes, I like to do just like fruit-infused water with
another pinch of salt but it’s a little more interesting.

Katie: Yeah.

Heather: Dr. Rhonda, do you know her last name?

Katie: Is it Rhonda Patrick?

Heather: Yeah, Dr. Rhonda Patrick also says you can put some kale in a smoothie that kale is
actually really electrolyte rich.

Katie: Yeah.

Heather: So you can, you know, finish up with a couple of leaves of kale in a smoothie. I haven’t
tried that yet but…

Katie: Yeah. You said fruit water, it reminded me, I like cucumber water, cucumber-lime water. I
could just live on that I think.

Heather: Yeah.

Katie: Especially in a sauna. It’s funny too how like your priorities change. You could be like
super busy from your day and thinking about all the stuff you need to do. And then like 10
minutes in the sauna, those start to fade away. And by like 30 minutes, you’re like, “Oh, lemon
water.” That’s all I’m thinking about is lemon water like…

Heather: It is a complete reset in so many ways. You like reprioritize everything.

Katie: Yeah, exactly. So which sauna did you end up getting? Because yours is more recent and I
think that yours is awesome. I saw it, it’s really cool.

Heather: Yeah. We ended up getting a Health Mate and I guess, for us, it was kind of like a
decision between just what we wanted in terms of features and our budget, and it was the best
fit for us. And I wrote a post on, you know, all the reasons that I chose them. They’re really
good. Actually their parent company owns the cedar company that sources, I guess, a lot of the
cedar for like the whole industry. So they get a really good price and they pass that on to their
customers. But I wrote a post on why I chose them and then there’s also a discount. I got a
discount on mine and I negotiated the same discount for anyone that wants to, you know, order
there. And so, you can check it out, if you want to.

Katie: Yeah and we’ll link to it. It’s on your site. You know, they can probably Google like
“Mommypotamus and sauna,” and it’ll come up.

Heather: Oh, I’m starting to feel that passive cardio.

Katie: Yeah, we’re both like, “Okay, words…”

Heather: So you need water.

Katie: Yeah and then like talking about drinking… Oh, my gosh, that’s hot. Okay, my water bottle
is on fire. So, yeah, I’m not sure. We actually have a whole lot of questions and the goal of this
long term is gonna be that we, like, answer questions from our blog. That like maybe there’s not
enough to say to earn a whole blogpost but that we really wanna talk about. So, in the future,
we’re gonna, like, definitely intersperse these episodes, And as much as you wanna be involved
on interviews too, to talk about any questions readers…or either of our readers answer. But I
think we’re also gonna realize that we’re gonna hit a…

Heather: It might not work that way.

Katie: Woo. We’re gonna hit like a 30-minute window with this because we’re pretty hot right
now. And I think we, at least, touched one some fun stuff, and we’ll have all those links in the
show notes. But I’m feeling like we should probably wrap up before we both forget how to say

Heather: I’m gonna have to agree with you on that.

Ka3e: Yeah. So thanks, you guys, for listening. I’m so glad to get to introduce Heather. She’s one
of my favorite people in the world and I’m really gonna look forward to these episodes, and I
know you will too. So please tune in to the next episode of the “Healthy Moms Podcast.”

Heather: Bye.

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13 responses to “059: Heather Dessinger on Goals, Parenting & Saunas”

  1. Lacey Avatar

    Why do you both only recommend clearlight now? I’m wanting to buy a sauna and there is so much conflicting info. Healthmate is much easier to find lightly used than clearlight. Dr rhonda patrick sites all these sauna studies but I haven’t been able to find any link to her recommended saunas. I have used and loved the clearlight but it’s just out of my budget so I’m looking for another option. Thanks ?

    1. Katie Wells Avatar

      I don’t only recommend them. This is an older podcast and at the time it was what we both were personally using. There are many good options out now and I’ve updated the resources section above to include them. My personal recommendation is the traditional Finish barrel sauna, but they are more expensive…

  2. Erika Avatar

    Thanks for the quick reply! I’ve been doing a lot of research on infrared saunas and appreciate your thoughts and opinions in making a decision!

  3. Erika Avatar

    In the Saunacast, you mention Healthmate saunas, but the link recommending saunas takes me to Clearlight… wondering which one you prefer or recommend! Thanks!

    1. Katie - Wellness Mama Avatar

      I have a clearlight and Heather used to promote Healthmate, which is why it was linked in this post. We both use and only recommend clearlight now and I’ve found them to be the highest quality.

  4. Erin Avatar

    Thank you for this great podcast. Katie, I was wondering which sauna you use? The Healthmate seems like the best choice but is out of my budget.

    Again, thank you for all that both of you do!

  5. Marcie Cheshire Avatar
    Marcie Cheshire

    Katie, I loved listening to this podcast. I went to Heather’s site and she recommends Health Mate. What sauna do you have and recommend? All of these companies are very competitive and tell you different things to try to undermine the competition. Not sure who to believe.

  6. Sally Avatar

    I love saunacast! Just talking to other moms about life tips is always super helpful but you two really have some great wisdom. Can’t wait for more!

  7. Misti Avatar

    Yall make me so jealous I have a very best friend who I love so dearly but I find myself wishing I could add both of as Bffs . Lol. My daughter was just diagnosed with Type questions diabetes. I’ve been following both of you for 2 years pluses totally doing all the right things and was blown out of the water with this news. Do either of you know someone in our circle of wellness who could help us tips on continuing to eat healthy. Belive it or not Texas Children’s is amazing BUT they don’t seem to think in the same ways we do about eating

  8. Carolyn Avatar

    I visit both of your blogs frequently, and learned hot process soap making from mommypotamus. My kids are grown now, but I so wish you two had been around when I was a young mother.
    Keep up the excellent work!

  9. Jackie Avatar

    Thoughts on using a sauna while breastfeeding?
    I’ve heard that it increases milk supply, but can toxins be released into the breastmilk?

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