Is Fermented Cod Liver Oil Safe or Rancid?

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I’ve written in depth before about the supplements I personally take, which for a long time included fermented cod liver oil.

If you follow many bloggers in the natural health community, you’ve probably seen the recent drama about the potential quality issues with fermented cod liver oil. I delve into this in depth below but the summary of my personal current opinion on the issue is that:

  1. There is conflicting evidence on the safety of fermented cod liver oil (and more recently even on the safety of any omega-3 supplements) that warrant more research.
  2. Health and nutrition continue to become more and more personalized so what works for me is not likely to work for you and vice versa.
  3. I personally am focusing on getting all nutrients from food whenever possible and with rare exception and am sticking to foods like sardines and other low-mercury fish in place of supplements.

It is important to note that this is strictly my personal opinion and is in no way close to medical advice (nor is any information on this website). As always, I encourage you to do your own research and due diligence on any health related decisions.

FCLO Drama…

Fermented Cod Liver Oil is considered a traditional food that has been recommended by the Weston A. Price Foundation and many real food bloggers (including me) for years. It was even the WAPF recommended brand for use in homemade infant formula and many members take it religiously.

On August 21, 2015, Weston A. Price Foundation Vice President Dr. Kaayla Daniel released a 100+ page report detailing the results of independent lab tests that she had on samples of Green Pastures Fermented Cod Liver Oil and that alleged major issues with the brand, including rancidity, lower levels of nutrients than were claimed, and sourcing issues.

Dr. Daniel’s report claims that FCLO is not actually fermented, is rancid, putrid, and adulterated with other (cheaper) oils. It also alleges that there are lower levels of fat soluble nutrients in FCLO than claimed and that the oil isn’t even from cod. Serious claims from a well-respected person in the real food community.

Understandably, this has left many people in the real food community reeling and looking for answers. I’ve gotten many emails, comments, and social media messages in the last few days asking what my take on the subject is, and have spent a lot of time researching this myself.

Below is my personal opinion and research on this issue based on the information available right now. I will continue to update this post as more information is revealed.

My hope is that no matter the outcome of further research and study about fermented cod liver oil, the real food community will take this as a lesson in the importance of verifying the quality of supplements and use this as an opportunity to improve the real food movement, rather than to divide the community.

Is Fermented Cod Liver Oil Safe or Rancid?

In short… I don’t know.

Based on the information available from both sides, I don’t think it is possible for anyone (short of Green Pastures, the company producing the fermented cod liver oil in question) to know the answers to all of the questions that many people are asking right now. At the same time, there are some holes in the report from Dr. Daniels and some potential financial ties that have come to light that call her motivation into question.

When our family first started taking fermented cod liver oil years ago, I did a lot of research on the company and on cod liver oil in general (as anyone should do before taking fat soluble vitamins regularly). The only lab reports I was able to find at the time were from Green Pastures and they showed no rancidity in the fermented cod liver oil and verified that FCLO did contain the fat soluble vitamins it was known for.

The recent report from Dr. Daniel calls these tests into question. Her results have the lab company and the party funding the test blurred out, which is somewhat suspect, though I do not think that this necessarily discredits the information in the reports. The report does, however, make some assertions about certain compounds being harmful as a justification for why FCLO is not safe, and some of these claims are not backed by existing science (or are at least controversial).

In the last six months or so, I’ve actually been researching and testing different forms of cod liver oil after readers have inquired about different brands and reported issues they’ve had with FCLO.

My Experience

Our family has seen benefits from taking fermented cod liver oil over the years, including reversal of tooth decay. I’ve also noticed that my skin is naturally more sun tolerant since taking FCLO, probably from the fat soluble vitamins it contains.

At the same time, there is the possibility that the quality of Green Pastures FCLO has changed since I researched it years ago, or that more recent lab testing has been able to reveal problems that were undetectable years ago.

Fermented Cod Liver Oil: The Claims

FCLO is Not Fermented:

There may be some truth to this claim. I’ve talked before about the importance of fermented foods for health, and why the naturally created beneficial bacteria in fermented foods are so important.

The red flag that Daniels explains is that oil cannot ferment. The process of fermentation requires the presence of a carbohydrate as the food for the fermentation process. Many people (including me) assumed that an unnamed carbohydrate was used for the fermentation process but was removed by the process so it was not listed on the ingredients or that the livers themselves were fermented and not the oil (as an oil can’t ferment without another ingredient).

Green Pastures owner Dave Wetzel has been less than transparent about this fermentation process, though supposedly he has brought several WAPF members and high profile bloggers to his facility to see the process and verify its quality. (I have never been to the facility and have no firsthand knowledge of this process, so I have to rely on Dave’s explanation of his process).

This is one area that I hope we see more detail on from Green Pastures and from independent sources in the future. For now, the debate about the process used and what part of the process actually requires fermentation does not necessarily mean that the final product is not high quality, but it does raise some interesting questions to explore.

FCLO is Rancid:

Fats and oils cannot ferment without carbohydrates, so what happens when they are exposed to the conditions of fermentation? In short, they go rancid.

This is the basis for the claims in the new report. The independent lab results from Dr. Daniel show several biomarkers of rancidity in the samples tested (these were not present in the reports I found in my initial research).

In Daniel’s tests, peroxide, free fatty acids and other biomarkers of rancidity were found. I was unable to find clear answers directly from Green Pastures, though I found several older articles and interviews in which Dave states that his product does not contain these biomarkers or that the substances are not harmful. Again, more research is needed from independent sources on this.

Low Levels of Vitamins:

Another claim in the reports is that FCLO contains less fat soluble vitamins than claimed and that the Vitamin D is in the form of D2 and not D3.

The common consensus among medical experts is that D3 is the preferred form, though Green Pastures claims that D2 is equally safe and effective. To be fair, all forms of cod liver oil contain higher levels of D2 and this does not necessarily raise a red flag, but again, more research is needed.

Also, Green Pastures has never made claims, to my knowledge, about the levels of nutrients in their products, carefully explaining that they are a food product and that levels can change.

Not Actually Cod:

The report further claimed that the DNA tests on Green Pastures products showed that the livers used were from Alaskan Polluck, not cod. This seems to be partially an issue of understanding of fish species and families, since:

The Alaska pollock or walleye pollock (Gadus chalcogrammus, formerly Theragra chalcogramma) is a marine fish species of the cod family Gadidae. Alaska pollock is a semipelagic schooling fish widely distributed in the North Pacific with largest concentrations found in the eastern Bering Sea.

After hours of research, I could not find any definitive answer directly from Green Pastures about the origin or species of the fish they use. The closest I could find was Dave’s vague answer from his own FAQs:

Ok, The question arises on the topic of location of the fish. The fish school in the northern, cold waters around the Arctic Ocean. They do not have a nationality and a fish can school for a 1000+ miles in its life. So the relevance of the specific spot the fish is cleaned is not relevant to the discussion, ‘is the fish safe to consume’.

Red Flags from the Report

While Kaayla’s report certainly raises some concerns about FCLO, it also raises some concerns about its own validity. For instance:

  • The labs used for the testing and who paid for the independent testing is not disclosed. This isn’t necessarily a red flag on its own, but given the rumored history of drama within the WAPF organization, I think it deserves further investigation. Given how much heated press this report has generated, I can certainly understand the potential desire of a donor to remain anonymous in the report,  but it does raise a red flag.
  • Though I have no firsthand experience with any of the board members of WAPF, including Sally Fallon or Dr. Daniel, reports of internal drama run rampant in the real food community. In fact, I avoided joining the WAPF for years partially because of these claims. We have not heard an official response from WAPF or Green Pastures yet, and I think that thoroughly evaluating both sides will be an important step for any of us looking to understand the long term validity of these claims.
  • The one funding source that Kaayla mentions in the report, Dr. Ron Schmid ND, has a long and somewhat dramatic history with FCLO. He reportedly took (really large doses- above the recommended amount) of regular cod liver oil and then fermented cod liver oil for decades and attributes them to his severe heart disease. He has also stated publicly that he attributes his miraculous recovery from heart disease with discontinuing taking FCLO. Not exactly an unbiased source. Again, this does not discredit the information, but does raise some additional questions.
  • While Daniels lists sources for many of her claims, she doesn’t list her sources for many of her quotes. In fact, while she says she talked to many experts (including “top university professors, scientists, researchers, lab managers, doctors and other health care practitioners”), these sources are unnamed for many of her more serious allegations. Obviously, these claims would carry much more weight if they were substantiated and sourced.
  • It also raised a red flag for me that Daniel has a call to action for her own services in the report, saying: “Finally, if you think you have health challenges related to FCLO consumption, share your story with friends, colleagues . . . and me. If you think you’ve been harmed, I would like to offer you a FREE mini appointment by phone or face-to- face on Skype. To share your story or to make your appointment, contact me at ***********@earthlink.net.” I can understand her desire to help others if she truly feels that FCLO is harmful, but a report making these allegations does not seem like the appropriate place to make this offer. Again, not a reason to discredit the report, but a red flag.
  • Emerging information has also revealed some potential political ties from the new organization Dr. Daniels founded after leaving/being forced out of WAPF and the makers of the Extra Virgin Cod Liver Oil product she recommends. In other words, the company she recommends as an alternative to FCLO is a sponsor of her new organization so she may have a bias here. Additionally, there is a lot of information floating around about potential conflict within the old organization hierarchy of WAPF that suggests there may be much more to the story on both sides.

The Bottom Line

Based on the available information at this time, it is extremely difficult or impossible to draw a definitive conclusion on the issue of the quality of Green Pastures FCLO or other CLO products. I think that this whole “scandal” is a symptom of a much bigger problem- the mud slinging between competing companies and emerging attacks on both sides of the fence.

The report brings up some serious points and hints at some possible misleading information from Green Pastures over the years. As a mom who has given FCLO to my own family for years and seen good enough results to share my experience with you, I am extremely angry and disappointed in Green Pastures if any of these claims turn out to be true. At the same time, there are some serious holes in the Dr. Daniel’s report and the potential financial ties to the new company bring up more questions.

I think more research and disclosure is needed from both parties, and like I said, I hope that all of us in the real food community will use this as an opportunity to improve, learn more, and get to the truth, and not as an excuse to argue and divide.

At the end of the day, I have to hope and trust until I see evidence to the contrary that both the founders of Green Pastures and Dr. Daniel are interested in health and serving their communities and continue to evaluate any information as objectively as possible.

At the same time, I don’t think either side is unbiased.

Green Pastures, of course, derives a profit from the sale of their FCLO. Dr Daniel has a rumored history of contention with different parties within WAPF and with Green Pastures as well as potential financial ties to the new EVCLO company. Again, none of these are relevant to the validity of the data in the reports or even necessarily to the motivation of either party, but they do provide a possible motivation for slanting information one way or the other.

At the end of the day, things are rarely what they seem on the surface and my guess is that we will continue to find more from both sides of this story.

What Our Family is Doing

As I mentioned, after many reader questions, I have been researching FCLO and alternative cod liver oil sources for months.

Since there is so much conflicting information on the issue right now, please share any information or research you’ve found in the comments below. Has your opinion of FCLO changed as a result of this report?

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About Katie Wells

Katie Wells, CTNC, MCHC, Founder of Wellness Mama and Co-founder of Wellnesse, has a background in research, journalism, and nutrition. As a mom of six, she turned to research and took health into her own hands to find answers to her health problems. WellnessMama.com is the culmination of her thousands of hours of research and all posts are medically reviewed and verified by the Wellness Mama research team. Katie is also the author of the bestselling books The Wellness Mama Cookbook and The Wellness Mama 5-Step Lifestyle Detox.

Comments

329 responses to “Is Fermented Cod Liver Oil Safe or Rancid?”

  1. Victor Avatar

    Of course other dietary factors are very important in reversing tooth decay, but FCLO seems to be a key component for many people that reverse it; myself included. The reason is because FCLO, especially combined with Green Pasture’s Butter Oil, is probably the highest density food item of key vitamins and minerals that contribute to healthy bones and teeth. Everyone is different, but search the web and you will find countless testimonials, with photos, showing the efficacy of FCLO.

    As to your fears, they are unfounded. People die of water poisoning every year, but we don’t stop drinking water. Nobody dies from FCLO. And I do not mean poisoned water, which also kills thousands. I mean that people die from drinking too much ‘safe’ water. We must be responsible in how we consume the things we eat and drink. Watch this video on water poisoning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvcbIXvWl_k&t=3s

  2. Elizabeth Avatar
    Elizabeth

    I’m curious to know how people are claiming that the FCLO has reversed tooth decay etc. Couldn’t other dietary changes be causing that? We took it for a few months before the article came out two years ago and honestly I just don’t see why it would be worth the risk. Why would you want to expose yourself and your family if there is even a hint of truth to it? There are so many safer options to improve your health.

  3. Bill Avatar

    RIP – Dr. Ron Schmid

    While Schmid seemed to recover significantly from his 2012 FCLO experience, he never got back to his previous level of health, and in the last few months complained of declining health. One member of his family said, “He was told by the doctors in 2012 that he had three to six months to live, and he should get his affairs in order. He lived five more years, so that was gratifying.”

    http://drkaayladaniel.com/the-legacy-of-dr-ron-schmid/

  4. Gia Avatar

    Hi wellness mama,
    I’m a little scared because I’ve been giving it to my almost 3 year old for a tooth decay problem. Is this dangerous for him? Should I stop it right away?? What other safer sources of fat solubles can I give him? Thank you.

  5. Vicki Avatar

    Yes, my opinion has changed such that I will take the cautious route and wait until I can be convinced of both the quality and benefits of the product.
    I deeply appreciate the effort, clarity and thorough research put forth in this article.
    Thank you!

  6. April Avatar

    Rosita extra virgin raw cod liver oil. It has the correct ratio of vitamins. It’s fresh, not rancid.

  7. Chrisanya Ashcroft Avatar
    Chrisanya Ashcroft

    I have recently bought the GP FCLO and the Butter Oil to make WAPF raw cows milk baby formula for my 5 month old granddaughter. So far I have only made one batch and she loves it. However with all this controversy over rancidity and low vitamin levels I feel to hold off making more till there is clarification about these claims. I will revert to the German Holle brand of organic formula until I feel sure the GP products are safe. I would appreciate any advice about what I can substitute for the FCLO and Butter oil to supplement the commercial organic formula. Thank you in advance.

    1. Victor Cozzetto Avatar
      Victor Cozzetto

      You can see that many scientists came forward in defense of the FCLO, and Green Pasture has many additional testing results on their site since that time. There is no science or scientific group standing in opposition to FCLO now (to my knowledge), and FCLO and Green Pasture look even better now due to that attack.

      That issue has long since been proven a fraud, and the ‘movement’ died out over a year ago. You can see the filing and abandonment of their trademark attempts here:

      https://trademarks.justia.com/868/01/paleo-primal-price-foundation-bringing-real-food-communities-86801569.html

      A lot of innocent people lost time, money, and health from the fraudulent attacks.

      There will always be people with different beliefs and opinions, and it is not my goal to sway or change such. We must all decide for ourselves. However, when I see people’s beliefs and opinions being formed by misleading information, I try to correct that information. We live in an age of information warfare, and tactics like astroturfing and seeding are very real.

      FCLO was and is a fantastic product, and there is really no equal on the market. Its combination with the Butter Oil provides arguably the most nutrient dense food available. But don’t take my word for it; visit Green Pasture, WAPF, and other sites to see the many scientific test results.

  8. Helene Avatar

    I found this article very interesting. This scandal is simply the tip of the iceberg. The food industry is led by greed and to the detriment of our health. Cancers, most of all other diseases including obesity have affected the general population. I feel sorry for those who can’t afford the time and the land to be sustainable. Corporations take advantage of us to benefit themselves. It is simply disgusting. The medical system also, goes to bed with them. Medicine is a business that puts in the front the profit of the doctors and mostly of the pharmaceutical companies. I started boycotting the supermarket about 15 years ago. I now fully sustain myself thanks to my land and my goats. All of the vitamins and minerals I need can be found in healthy food!

  9. Liz Avatar

    I’ve taking regular cod liver oil with no problem, but I recently bought the green pastures fclo in cinnimon and I broke out in hives (which is NOT normal for me). I eat fermented foods daily and have never had any issues with high histamine foods. Is it’s possible this is just an allergic reaction or is this brand indeed rancid?

  10. Victor Cozzetto Avatar
    Victor Cozzetto

    They do not confirm Dr. Daniel’s testing, and the testing was not the main problem anyway. Her conclusions do not agree with her own tests. I am sure you already have seen that in other posts here. There are no tests anywhere that can determine FCLO to be rancid or lacking in Vitamin D. Dr. Daniel’s claims remain false to this day. Just read what all the other scientists have said about her claims in the other links.

  11. April Avatar

    It looks like my comment didn’t go through, so this might be a duplicate.

    WAPF tested the FCLO in November of 2015, showing the same results that Dr. Daniel’s report showed. The reports are on their website, however, they’ve been quiet about it and haven’t updated their information about FCLO. They are still recommending FCLO in spite of what their report shows.

    Recent article that details the testing timeline with links to all of the reports:

    http://i1.wp.com/www.thefamilythathealstogether.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/fclo-infographic-2016.png

    I took FCLO for a while and had to stop because it made me sick. My children took it for years and early last year one of them had their Vitamin D level tested and it was low in spite of years of use. After Dr. Daniel’s report came out I stopped giving it to them and we don’t use any CLO now. I’ve been waiting for more information, as the issue seems to have come to a standstill, but now we know that WAPF did test it but didn’t make the results public.

    1. Victor Cozzetto Avatar
      Victor Cozzetto

      There are no tests on WAPF or anywhere else that support Dr. Daniel’s conclusions. The article and images that you link to contain incorrect information. If you would like to understand the situation better, please browse the comments here and read the many links to scientists and test reports that show the FCLO an exceptional product, as good or better than advertised.

      1. April Avatar

        I’ve already read through all of the comments. I’ve been following this story since it first came out. I’ve read all the information I can get my hands on and I still am not convinced.

  12. April Avatar

    This new article sheds some light on this topic.

    WAPF did their own testing of cod liver oil in November 2015. The results support the original testing by Dr. Daniel, although the WAPF hasn’t updated the fermented cod liver oil information on their website to reflect this information. Links to all the reports are in the article.

    I’m glad I stopped giving it to my family when I did. It made me sick so I stopped taking it. My children took it for years. I had one of my children tested and her level was low.

    https://thefamilythathealstogether.com/weston-price-foundation-vindicated-kaayla-daniel-fermented-cod-liver-oil-controversy/

    1. Victor Cozzetto Avatar
      Victor Cozzetto

      There are no tests on WAPF or anywhere else that support Dr. Daniel’s conclusions. You put considerable effort into your article, using similar techniques that Dr. Daniel used to create the controversy. Why would you do that?? Certainly you know of the rat assays which prove conclusively that FCLO is a superior source of Vitamin D3, and you must understand that the Vitamin D metabolites cannot be measured by the blood tests that you reference. And the idea of FCLO being rancid has been shown false countless times at this point. The debate has long been over, and it is FCLO that has been vindicated.

      1. April Avatar

        First of all, I didn’t write this article. I linked it here. But why did the author of the article write it? To show that FLCO isn’t what it claims to be.

        Secondly, yes, there is a test that proves Dr. Daniel’s tests are correct, and it’s right on WAPF’s website:

        http://www.westonaprice.org/wp-content/uploads/CovanceBlueIceCodLiverOil.pdf

        These tests show that:

        In 100 grams of FCLO there is 62,500 IU of vitamin A, which is 3,125 IU per teaspoon.

        And only 1,180 IU of Vitamin D3 per 100 grams of FCLO which is only 59 IU per teaspoon. The D3 is very low and nowhere near what Green Pasture claims is in their FCLO.

        Also, WAPF’s UBE Lab results (which they haven’t published for some reason) show only D2 and no D3 according to WAPF:

        https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/cod-liver-oil/report-cod-liver-oil/

        If you scroll down to the very end of the last graphic you can see that. Cod liver should only contain D3, not D2, as D2 comes from plant sources. And somehow their UBE tested FCLO only contains D2, no D3 at all, which is suspect. I know that they explain the whole D2 thing away with talk of metabolites and D3 being an “industry standard” that they don’t subscribe to. But that really makes no sense. The other lab results don’t back that up. They also left out the values for the Covance lab test results on that graphic as well. They only use the UBE lab results in their graphic.

        WAPF regularly has Covance test the products that they promote and so they obviously are a trusted lab:

        https://www.westonaprice.org/covance-test-results/

        I can’t find anything linking to actual rat bioassay tests proving that FCLO is a good source of Vitamin D3. I’ve only found articles where they talk about the results. If you have the link please share.

        At this point I don’t believe that FCLO has been vindicated. WAPF’s stance is to not share certain information. Also, they keep promoting a product that may not only be not what it claims, but is actually harmful.

        I want as much information as possible about what I’m putting into my body as well as my children’s. I spent hundreds of dollars over several years on Green Pasture FCLO products, which I personally couldn’t use because they made me ill. But I continued giving them to my children thinking that they were extremely beneficial with no results. If they aren’t safe and don’t work as stated I want to know.

        Squashing information isn’t helpful. I want the truth. I’ve done hours upon hours of reading and studying this issue and I’m still not convinced that FCLO is what they say it is and is safe.

        1. Victor Cozzetto Avatar
          Victor Cozzetto

          If you want the truth, I have a post just two posts above yours with about a dozen links to studies and scientists. And they lead to more. All supporting FCLO, and all standing against Dr. Daniel’s claims. I am certainly not squashing any information.

          Sorry if I assumed you were the author of that article, but it seemed odd that someone would post such a thing in the face of all the evidence. The evidence supports FCLO. When I saw that article attempt to disregard metabolites, that was a huge red flag to me.

          One point of confusion might be that you are mixing the tests with the conclusions, so let me try to clear that up:

          There is no support for Dr. Daniel’s conclusions. In fact, her own tests do NOT support her conclusions. I have already written about this in detail elsewhere, and you will find others pointing out the same. So, yes, you will find some of her tests perfectly in line with other testing, and none of it can be used to say that FCLO is rancid or vitamin deficient. The Vit D issue is more about testing methods, which are insufficient to draw conclusions from. You want hard evidence about FCLO vitamin D3 levels? Search the internet for ‘healing cavities’ and you will find Green Pasture’s FCLO product associated with many success stories, many of which contain photographic evidence.

          If you want to discredit FCLO at this point you will have to discredit all those test reports and scientists that have validated the FCLO claims, and I don’t see that happening. There is not much good in pointing to a blog post that seems to have a vested interest in creating FUD (Fear, Uncertainty. Doubt).

          FCLO may not be for everyone, but there is no doubt that it is one of the best sources of Vitamin D3 that we have. Understand that there are hundreds of Vitamin D compounds, and blood tests are not necessarily a good indicator of your levels.

          All this information can be found elsewhere, so no need to take my word for it.

          1. April Avatar

            It’s “odd” that I would post an article that has some different or new information? Why? We’re all searching for the truth. Even Sally Fallon says that they don’t understand metabolites and the role they play in FCLO. There are a lot of us that are on the fence and aren’t convinced one way or another when it comes to FCLO.

            If testing methods for Vitamin D are insufficient to draw conclusions from, then why use them? That makes no sense at all. For every person that supposedly healed their cavities with FCLO you’ll have one (or more) like me that became sick from eating FCLO. That isn’t proof of high Vitamin D levels in FCLO and it working wonders. Maybe they completely changed their diets at the same time that they started taking FCLO, which I suspect is probably the case. You have to look at the whole picture.

            There is nothing wrong with doubt. It leads to asking questions, researching and hopefully answers. I wouldn’t say the blog article creates “fear”. Uncertainty and doubt, yes, but that’s what makes us search for answers.

  13. Jennifer Avatar
    Jennifer

    Thank you for this article! I have been confused and concerned with the allegations made against Green Pasture’s FCLO. I’ve been giving it to my son with his formula. He is now 3 months old and he seems to be thriving on it. My family, friends and even his pediatrician can’t believe how healthy and active he is. I also give it to my dog who seems to be doing fine on it as well. Anyway, I recently found out I have a family friend who was involved in this investigation. She tells me that is is a rancid, putrid product and that I should use extra virgin cod liver oil instead. The thing is, she will not tell me why. She provides no evidence or information to this claim. So, until I hear about anymore information on this, I am not convinced this product is bad.

  14. Lillian Avatar
    Lillian

    Hi Katie,

    THANK YOU for this article… so helpful.

    Any new information or updates on this issue? I was hoping that by now, Green Pastures would have made a public stand and defended themselves….

    1. Wellness Mama Avatar

      There has definitely been more from each side, but nothing that I’ve seen that is definitive. I’m definitely trying to keep up with the situation though.

    2. Victor Cozzetto Avatar
      Victor Cozzetto

      There have been many scientists and studies published on Green Pasture’s site, WAPF’s site, and other independent scientist’s sites that support FCLO. And there has been NO scientific support for Dr. Daniel’s false claims. However, thanks to her unwarranted attacks we do now have even more documented support for FCLO.

      Some links to those recent reports and articles:

      Some (but not all) from Green Pasture:
      https://www.greenpasture.org/blog/scientific-analysis-of-dr-jacob-friest/
      https://www.greenpasture.org/blog/scientific-analysis-of-oxidation-test-reports-by-dr-subramaniam-sathivel/
      https://www.greenpasture.org/blog/what-do-the-scientists-say/
      https://www.greenpasture.org/blog/marine-stewardship-council/
      https://www.greenpasture.org/blog/report-on-cod-liver-oil/
      https://www.greenpasture.org/blog/the-fermenting-of-fish/
      https://www.greenpasture.org/blog/trans-fatty-acids/

      A page on WAPF that has many (but not all) links to responses, reports, etc.:
      https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/cod-liver-oil/december-2008-update-2-on-cod-liver-oil/

      Chris Masterjohn’s response on his site (His comments can be found elsewhere as well):
      https://chrismasterjohnphd.com/blog/2015/08/29/weighing-in-on-fermented-cod-liver-oi/

      Some good analysis from Craig Eldig:
      https://www.thehealthcloud.co.uk/green-pastures-rancid-report-analysis/
      https://www.thehealthcloud.co.uk/fermented-cod-liver-oil-facts/
      https://www.thehealthcloud.co.uk/the-other-side-of-the-fclo-scandal/

      My own posts are on my site here:
      http://www.otezok.com/2015/09/21/fclo-favored-by-science-wisdom/
      http://www.otezok.com/2015/08/27/flco-chriskresser/
      http://www.otezok.com/2015/08/30/fclo-calling-out-modernalternativemama/

      I could list more, but I think you get the point.

      Note that within those links you will find many other links, and you will find tests and analysis that existed before and after the controversy. Like any food or supplement, FCLO is not for everyone, and should not be abused; however, it is clearly one of the best food sources available for supplementing a diet.

  15. Lori Avatar

    I know this is an older post, but I am curious if you have any updates on this? And if so are you still using it? Or a different brand?
    Thanks!

      1. Anna Reyes Avatar
        Anna Reyes

        I just found out I am pregnant. And looking to maximize my health for both my baby and I. I also found a different site that uses cold pressed liver cod oil. Can you tell me if you have researched and also if you will be changing from Green Pasture to a different brand?
        Thank you so much for your time and all you do for us!

  16. Kathy Avatar

    I recently started taking the FCLO/BO to heal cavities. I took 1/2 or 1 tsp the first day and next day almost all teeth pain was gone. But at the same time I started having ankle and leg cramps in the early morning hours. Then I reduced my dosage down to 1/2 tsp, then to 1/4 tsp twice a day and finally to 1/4 tsp per day. Cramps stopped for a few days but are back again. I also noticed what I thought was die off or detox symptoms initially but pressed through. 1/4 tsp a day is not enough to help my teeth and the leg cramps are not acceptable so will most likely try to return the product to the health food store. I’m disappointed as I was looking forward to the benefits. I don’t know what to think about this. I can’t imagine why it would be causing leg cramps but that is the only change I made in my supplements. The cramps are too painful to continue. Could this be a histamine reaction?

    1. Victor Avatar

      Hi Kathy,

      Leg cramps are a possible sign of magnesium deficiency, as well as other possible deficiencies (calcium, potassium, boron). It could be that the FCLO/BO enabled your body to use your available resources for your teeth and bones, and thus left you deficient in other areas.

      You might want to try supplementing with magnesium, via epsom salt baths, magnesium oil, or a supplement that you have confidence in (not all supplements are effective).

      It seems that you worked out the FCLO/BO dosage that works for you, and that is great. It could be that it is not a fit for you; although I don’t think that I have ever heard of an association between leg cramps and histamine issues.

      I would not get rid of your FCLO/BO just yet.
      Good luck to you.

  17. Kristin Avatar
    Kristin

    Thanks for the informative article. I am wondering if you have any sources for this statement: “To be fair, all forms of cod liver oil contain higher levels of D2 and this does not necessarily raise a red flag, but again, more research is needed.” Green Pastures is the only cod liver oil brand that states it has more D2 than D3. All of the other cod liver oils I have come across say they do not have any D2, that is all D3. So I am just curious where you came to the conclusion that all cod liver oils have more D2 than D3? Thanks!

  18. Kate Avatar

    Hi Wellness Mama,

    I saw that there is a recent article that appeared to be addressing this on Green Pasture’s website. Have you read it? I have not read it yet.

    Thanks,

    Kate

  19. Lisa Avatar

    Hi wellness mama,

    Just wondering if you’ve heard of any follow up action (results) on this? I thought WAPF was supposed to be getting some third party testing done? It seems like 9 months later we should have some answers?! Am I just looking in the wrong places?

    Thanks!

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