Is Fermented Cod Liver Oil Safe or Rancid?

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I’ve written in depth before about the supplements I personally take, which for a long time included fermented cod liver oil.

If you follow many bloggers in the natural health community, you’ve probably seen the recent drama about the potential quality issues with fermented cod liver oil. I delve into this in depth below but the summary of my personal current opinion on the issue is that:

  1. There is conflicting evidence on the safety of fermented cod liver oil (and more recently even on the safety of any omega-3 supplements) that warrant more research.
  2. Health and nutrition continue to become more and more personalized so what works for me is not likely to work for you and vice versa.
  3. I personally am focusing on getting all nutrients from food whenever possible and with rare exception and am sticking to foods like sardines and other low-mercury fish in place of supplements.

It is important to note that this is strictly my personal opinion and is in no way close to medical advice (nor is any information on this website). As always, I encourage you to do your own research and due diligence on any health related decisions.

FCLO Drama…

Fermented Cod Liver Oil is considered a traditional food that has been recommended by the Weston A. Price Foundation and many real food bloggers (including me) for years. It was even the WAPF recommended brand for use in homemade infant formula and many members take it religiously.

On August 21, 2015, Weston A. Price Foundation Vice President Dr. Kaayla Daniel released a 100+ page report detailing the results of independent lab tests that she had on samples of Green Pastures Fermented Cod Liver Oil and that alleged major issues with the brand, including rancidity, lower levels of nutrients than were claimed, and sourcing issues.

Dr. Daniel’s report claims that FCLO is not actually fermented, is rancid, putrid, and adulterated with other (cheaper) oils. It also alleges that there are lower levels of fat soluble nutrients in FCLO than claimed and that the oil isn’t even from cod. Serious claims from a well-respected person in the real food community.

Understandably, this has left many people in the real food community reeling and looking for answers. I’ve gotten many emails, comments, and social media messages in the last few days asking what my take on the subject is, and have spent a lot of time researching this myself.

Below is my personal opinion and research on this issue based on the information available right now. I will continue to update this post as more information is revealed.

My hope is that no matter the outcome of further research and study about fermented cod liver oil, the real food community will take this as a lesson in the importance of verifying the quality of supplements and use this as an opportunity to improve the real food movement, rather than to divide the community.

Is Fermented Cod Liver Oil Safe or Rancid?

In short… I don’t know.

Based on the information available from both sides, I don’t think it is possible for anyone (short of Green Pastures, the company producing the fermented cod liver oil in question) to know the answers to all of the questions that many people are asking right now. At the same time, there are some holes in the report from Dr. Daniels and some potential financial ties that have come to light that call her motivation into question.

When our family first started taking fermented cod liver oil years ago, I did a lot of research on the company and on cod liver oil in general (as anyone should do before taking fat soluble vitamins regularly). The only lab reports I was able to find at the time were from Green Pastures and they showed no rancidity in the fermented cod liver oil and verified that FCLO did contain the fat soluble vitamins it was known for.

The recent report from Dr. Daniel calls these tests into question. Her results have the lab company and the party funding the test blurred out, which is somewhat suspect, though I do not think that this necessarily discredits the information in the reports. The report does, however, make some assertions about certain compounds being harmful as a justification for why FCLO is not safe, and some of these claims are not backed by existing science (or are at least controversial).

In the last six months or so, I’ve actually been researching and testing different forms of cod liver oil after readers have inquired about different brands and reported issues they’ve had with FCLO.

My Experience

Our family has seen benefits from taking fermented cod liver oil over the years, including reversal of tooth decay. I’ve also noticed that my skin is naturally more sun tolerant since taking FCLO, probably from the fat soluble vitamins it contains.

At the same time, there is the possibility that the quality of Green Pastures FCLO has changed since I researched it years ago, or that more recent lab testing has been able to reveal problems that were undetectable years ago.

Fermented Cod Liver Oil: The Claims

FCLO is Not Fermented:

There may be some truth to this claim. I’ve talked before about the importance of fermented foods for health, and why the naturally created beneficial bacteria in fermented foods are so important.

The red flag that Daniels explains is that oil cannot ferment. The process of fermentation requires the presence of a carbohydrate as the food for the fermentation process. Many people (including me) assumed that an unnamed carbohydrate was used for the fermentation process but was removed by the process so it was not listed on the ingredients or that the livers themselves were fermented and not the oil (as an oil can’t ferment without another ingredient).

Green Pastures owner Dave Wetzel has been less than transparent about this fermentation process, though supposedly he has brought several WAPF members and high profile bloggers to his facility to see the process and verify its quality. (I have never been to the facility and have no firsthand knowledge of this process, so I have to rely on Dave’s explanation of his process).

This is one area that I hope we see more detail on from Green Pastures and from independent sources in the future. For now, the debate about the process used and what part of the process actually requires fermentation does not necessarily mean that the final product is not high quality, but it does raise some interesting questions to explore.

FCLO is Rancid:

Fats and oils cannot ferment without carbohydrates, so what happens when they are exposed to the conditions of fermentation? In short, they go rancid.

This is the basis for the claims in the new report. The independent lab results from Dr. Daniel show several biomarkers of rancidity in the samples tested (these were not present in the reports I found in my initial research).

In Daniel’s tests, peroxide, free fatty acids and other biomarkers of rancidity were found. I was unable to find clear answers directly from Green Pastures, though I found several older articles and interviews in which Dave states that his product does not contain these biomarkers or that the substances are not harmful. Again, more research is needed from independent sources on this.

Low Levels of Vitamins:

Another claim in the reports is that FCLO contains less fat soluble vitamins than claimed and that the Vitamin D is in the form of D2 and not D3.

The common consensus among medical experts is that D3 is the preferred form, though Green Pastures claims that D2 is equally safe and effective. To be fair, all forms of cod liver oil contain higher levels of D2 and this does not necessarily raise a red flag, but again, more research is needed.

Also, Green Pastures has never made claims, to my knowledge, about the levels of nutrients in their products, carefully explaining that they are a food product and that levels can change.

Not Actually Cod:

The report further claimed that the DNA tests on Green Pastures products showed that the livers used were from Alaskan Polluck, not cod. This seems to be partially an issue of understanding of fish species and families, since:

The Alaska pollock or walleye pollock (Gadus chalcogrammus, formerly Theragra chalcogramma) is a marine fish species of the cod family Gadidae. Alaska pollock is a semipelagic schooling fish widely distributed in the North Pacific with largest concentrations found in the eastern Bering Sea.

After hours of research, I could not find any definitive answer directly from Green Pastures about the origin or species of the fish they use. The closest I could find was Dave’s vague answer from his own FAQs:

Ok, The question arises on the topic of location of the fish. The fish school in the northern, cold waters around the Arctic Ocean. They do not have a nationality and a fish can school for a 1000+ miles in its life. So the relevance of the specific spot the fish is cleaned is not relevant to the discussion, ‘is the fish safe to consume’.

Red Flags from the Report

While Kaayla’s report certainly raises some concerns about FCLO, it also raises some concerns about its own validity. For instance:

  • The labs used for the testing and who paid for the independent testing is not disclosed. This isn’t necessarily a red flag on its own, but given the rumored history of drama within the WAPF organization, I think it deserves further investigation. Given how much heated press this report has generated, I can certainly understand the potential desire of a donor to remain anonymous in the report,  but it does raise a red flag.
  • Though I have no firsthand experience with any of the board members of WAPF, including Sally Fallon or Dr. Daniel, reports of internal drama run rampant in the real food community. In fact, I avoided joining the WAPF for years partially because of these claims. We have not heard an official response from WAPF or Green Pastures yet, and I think that thoroughly evaluating both sides will be an important step for any of us looking to understand the long term validity of these claims.
  • The one funding source that Kaayla mentions in the report, Dr. Ron Schmid ND, has a long and somewhat dramatic history with FCLO. He reportedly took (really large doses- above the recommended amount) of regular cod liver oil and then fermented cod liver oil for decades and attributes them to his severe heart disease. He has also stated publicly that he attributes his miraculous recovery from heart disease with discontinuing taking FCLO. Not exactly an unbiased source. Again, this does not discredit the information, but does raise some additional questions.
  • While Daniels lists sources for many of her claims, she doesn’t list her sources for many of her quotes. In fact, while she says she talked to many experts (including “top university professors, scientists, researchers, lab managers, doctors and other health care practitioners”), these sources are unnamed for many of her more serious allegations. Obviously, these claims would carry much more weight if they were substantiated and sourced.
  • It also raised a red flag for me that Daniel has a call to action for her own services in the report, saying: “Finally, if you think you have health challenges related to FCLO consumption, share your story with friends, colleagues . . . and me. If you think you’ve been harmed, I would like to offer you a FREE mini appointment by phone or face-to- face on Skype. To share your story or to make your appointment, contact me at ***********@earthlink.net.” I can understand her desire to help others if she truly feels that FCLO is harmful, but a report making these allegations does not seem like the appropriate place to make this offer. Again, not a reason to discredit the report, but a red flag.
  • Emerging information has also revealed some potential political ties from the new organization Dr. Daniels founded after leaving/being forced out of WAPF and the makers of the Extra Virgin Cod Liver Oil product she recommends. In other words, the company she recommends as an alternative to FCLO is a sponsor of her new organization so she may have a bias here. Additionally, there is a lot of information floating around about potential conflict within the old organization hierarchy of WAPF that suggests there may be much more to the story on both sides.

The Bottom Line

Based on the available information at this time, it is extremely difficult or impossible to draw a definitive conclusion on the issue of the quality of Green Pastures FCLO or other CLO products. I think that this whole “scandal” is a symptom of a much bigger problem- the mud slinging between competing companies and emerging attacks on both sides of the fence.

The report brings up some serious points and hints at some possible misleading information from Green Pastures over the years. As a mom who has given FCLO to my own family for years and seen good enough results to share my experience with you, I am extremely angry and disappointed in Green Pastures if any of these claims turn out to be true. At the same time, there are some serious holes in the Dr. Daniel’s report and the potential financial ties to the new company bring up more questions.

I think more research and disclosure is needed from both parties, and like I said, I hope that all of us in the real food community will use this as an opportunity to improve, learn more, and get to the truth, and not as an excuse to argue and divide.

At the end of the day, I have to hope and trust until I see evidence to the contrary that both the founders of Green Pastures and Dr. Daniel are interested in health and serving their communities and continue to evaluate any information as objectively as possible.

At the same time, I don’t think either side is unbiased.

Green Pastures, of course, derives a profit from the sale of their FCLO. Dr Daniel has a rumored history of contention with different parties within WAPF and with Green Pastures as well as potential financial ties to the new EVCLO company. Again, none of these are relevant to the validity of the data in the reports or even necessarily to the motivation of either party, but they do provide a possible motivation for slanting information one way or the other.

At the end of the day, things are rarely what they seem on the surface and my guess is that we will continue to find more from both sides of this story.

What Our Family is Doing

As I mentioned, after many reader questions, I have been researching FCLO and alternative cod liver oil sources for months.

Since there is so much conflicting information on the issue right now, please share any information or research you’ve found in the comments below. Has your opinion of FCLO changed as a result of this report?

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About Katie Wells

Katie Wells, CTNC, MCHC, Founder of Wellness Mama and Co-founder of Wellnesse, has a background in research, journalism, and nutrition. As a mom of six, she turned to research and took health into her own hands to find answers to her health problems. WellnessMama.com is the culmination of her thousands of hours of research and all posts are medically reviewed and verified by the Wellness Mama research team. Katie is also the author of the bestselling books The Wellness Mama Cookbook and The Wellness Mama 5-Step Lifestyle Detox.

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329 responses to “Is Fermented Cod Liver Oil Safe or Rancid?”

  1. Jesse Avatar

    Hey Katie,
    Thanks for the post. I’m wondering what your thoughts are in regards to a comment on this post a year ago. A comment was made from a fisherman stating he’s seen how full of parasites cod can be and cold pressed isn’t going to kill off the parasites. This is worrisome to me with the GP fclo … Do you have any thoughts on this ? Thanks

    1. Wellness Mama Avatar

      There’s some truth to the interview, but also a good bit of misinformation, as Ann Marie is not an unbiased source in the matter…

  2. Kristin Avatar
    Kristin

    I ordered the oil/butter combo cinnamon tingle flavor gel and within days of taking the daily recommended dose I broke out in a hives-like reaction, red, itchy bumps all over my legs, arms and back. Nothing else in my diet or lifestyle had changed so the oil seemed the most likely suspect. As soon as I stopped taking it, the rash began to clear up. I recently read another article that spoke to many people’s pretty intense side effects of FCLO that also gave me pause.

  3. Shannon Avatar

    Thank you for this thorough report. I myself, stopped taking Greener Pastures FCLO only because it wasn’t providing me with vitamin D like I had hoped. I know this because I have been taking it for 3 years straight and went in for a blood test recently. It came back I was pretty deficient in Vitamin D. That was the main reason I was taking it. Possibly my body couldn’t absorb it – but regardless, I wasn’t getting it from the product. So unfortunately, I couldn’t pay the high price for something that didn’t work for me.

    1. Robin Avatar

      Hi Shannon,

      Were you take the FCLO with butter oil, or were you taking the FCLO solo? Thanks for the input!

      1. Shannon Avatar

        Both actually! I was taking just the FCLO solo for about 2 years, then I bought the additional FCLO with butter oil and took that with the FCLO solo for 1 year. So 3 years total. Like I said, it could be that I have problems with absorbing vitamin D. I do have the MTHFR gene variant. Not sure if this info helps.

        1. Keri Avatar

          I had my vitamin D levels tested recently and I was low in vitamin D too. But I am not sure the vitamin D content in any cod liver oil is high enough to meet daily requirements.

          Also FCLO is not vitamin D3. The Weston Price Foundation recently put up information about that. Chris Masterjohn wrote a long post about vitamin D metabolites. So now I am not sure what form of vitamin D is in the FCLO.

          I suggested to Cheeseslave that for some reason people might not be metabolizing vitamin D in the FCLO properly. It reminds me of the MTHFR and folic acid issue. Apparently there is a mutation some people have with their vitamin D receptors. So that might be what is going on.

          I have seen no evidence that rancidity is the issue, all the evidence I have seen does seem to suggest variation in vitamin D absorption.

          Either way, I am not sure I will ever rely on any Cod Liver Oil for vitamin D again. It just does not have enough, no matter what brand.

  4. Therese Avatar

    I was getting worried reading this until I went to Green Pastures and went through the FAQs.
    One of the primary “concerns” of the study is that oils cannot be fermented.
    Just looking at one question, GP states several times that they ferment the LIVERS. Not the oil they extract from the livers. The fermentation is just their method of processing/extraction.

    “When we ferment the livers the oil is second to none for functional human nutrition as attested to a by moms, doctors, clinical trials, energetic testing and bio-feed back testing. But don’t forget about the by-products, they are life giving and fully functional. Just like fermenting milk, none of the cod liver is ‘rotting’ but all fermented and ready to eat/use and all life giving.

    When we ferment the livers some of the oil is released for the benefit of all in our community. After we pull the oil we take the fermented livers and sun dry them. ”

    You can ferment fish and meat, there are recipes everywhere… so based on the singular stupidity of claiming that either a)fish is not fermentable or b) that GP is fermenting the oil when they directly say 3 times in 2 paragraphs that they ferment the LIVER – that’s enough to discredit the study to me.

  5. Aqua Avatar

    I first came across FCLO 10 years ago. I studied as a naturopath and have always had an interest in traditional foods and particularly healthy fats versus hydrogenated/rancid etc .

    However I had deep misgivings about this product, both in its effect, quality, composition and most importantly its supposed fermentation.

    And the promotional material – the old worldy traditional story that appears at every opportunity, just came across as blatant marketing schtick . And nary a clear description of their fermentation process. I contacted Dave Wetzel and tried to get some details about the process, safety certificates etc and to say he is not transparent is an understatement.

    As to the affiliation with WPA and the thug tactics described above, it never ceases to amaze me how America turns food and health into fanaticism at the bat of an eye. We get so emotionally attached to a ‘super’ food fad its almost invested with religious qualities ….
    What was originally a fairly reasonable position from Price Pottenger has devolved into what now appears to be a cult.
    Amusing but sad.

    Truth is in there somewhere.

    1. Ali Avatar

      Hmmm. Seems like there may be a misunderstanding about the identities of Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation (PPNF) and Weston A. Price Foundation (WAPF). They started in the same place but are two different organizations now. Price-Pottenger (PPNF) has the original documents form Dr.Price, and they have researched what he actually used and recommended. Might not be what you think. More info here: https://wordpress.com/post/renourishment.org/1366

  6. Anna Avatar

    Are there any updates on this subject? I just bought a bottle of the FCLO/butter blend and am not sure I want to use it:-(

    1. Wellness Mama Avatar

      Working on some updates to add to this post, but in short, there are a lot of politics on both sides of the issue, and I still feel safe using FCLO in the regular doses…

        1. Navid Rostaie Avatar
          Navid Rostaie

          From what I’ve seen,Green Pasture’s Claim’s theres 387-2055 IU of Vit D3 in there fish oil, think per ml. Average person needs 1000-2000iu a day. Lets say there fish oil gives a mean/average value of 1221, and u require 2000 a day, then you need 2ml a day, and I think standard dose most people take is half a ml.

          If the FCLO your taking only has the lowest they declared 387iu per ml, then you would need over 5 teaspoons. This is just my theory, maybe its not absorbed or your body needs it from sunlight or direct supplementation.

          Before I was supplementing with FCLO and HVBO, i was taking 10,000 iu 5-6 days a week for a long time, i took my serum vit d levels from 19 to 153.9 in about, think couple years. I’m dropping it now though as i’ve places they say you should try and be close to 40-50.

          Even though the FCLO gives me Vit D, to be safe, I’m still take vit d3, about 2000-4000 iu a day.

          1. Keri Avatar

            Thank you, that makes sense. I know the ratios of vitamin A to D are important. Chris Masterjohn recently released a report about Vitamin D in FCLO and it did not clarify anything at all.

    2. M. J. Avatar

      Me, too! I’m still taking FCLO/butter, in the suggested dose. I say go for it if your body says OK.

  7. Keri Avatar

    The author of the book “Cure Health Decay” still says Green Pasture’s FCLO is the best on the market. He said this on his Facebook page today.

    “Fermented Cod Liver Oil is the best product on the market, and it is safe to use. That does not mean that it is the right product for everyone to use. Its up to each person to take a responsible dosage of products with what aligns with their belief system.

  8. Kelly Avatar

    Hi Wellness Mama,

    I was wondering if there were any updates on your position on the cod liver oil? Which do you currently take? Thanks!

  9. Emily McMillan Avatar
    Emily McMillan

    Great article that presents both sides in an objective light! Has anyone read/seen any of the “Cheeseslave” blogger interviews against FCLO? I was pretty convinced after listening to those interviews against GP… But then she started to get into the inside drama of the WAPF and I started to wonder what her objectives were…

    1. Keri Avatar

      I watched one of the videos she (Cheeseslave) specifically asked me to watch, (based on some of my comments). After watching them I asked her some more questions and pointed out the that the H NMR data that Green Pastures submitted was considered the “GOLD STANDARD” of rancidity testing by her own expert in the video. (I think it was Dr. Rudi). I pointed this out to her in some comments and she called me a troll. So yes, I absolutely question her motives after the way she treated me. I stopped following her when the slandering of WAPF continued. ( I diasgree about the videos, they were not convincing at all to me. But I have a degree in Biology and I understand a lot of the tests and terms more than Cheeseslave does).

  10. Abby Avatar

    Hi, I was trying to find a follow up article to this.

    I was taking green pastures until I heard about the report. I am now taking Rosita’s virgin cod liver oil. It is so terrible! I didn’t have a problem and neither did my son with green pastures. But Rosita’s is terrible! My son (10 months) won’t take it. I just bought nordic naturals dha for him to see if he will take that….I haven’t done much research on it but the guy I trust at Whole Foods said it was “the best.” I read that I could just put some of the Rosita’s on his bum and he will absorb it into his skin just the same. But the smell is terrible! What to do?! What did your family do? How did you get your kids to take the CLO? Some books say he doesn’t need CLO until he stops nursing? But WAP says to start so young. Lots of questions…I know!

    1. Keri Avatar

      My daughter loves Green Pasture’s too. We are still taking it. If your child won’t take Rosita’s there is a reason. We are all different. You should go to the Green Pasture’s website, they have more studies posted now that show the FCLO is not rancid.

    1. Carolina Avatar

      Thanks Ruby for the links! Sheds some light of the shenanigans that was going on when this all exploded in August! In the end it always seems to be the money factor, not the health factor that drives people. I want to take cod liver oil… But I do not wish to support Rosita/Corganics/Dr. Kaayla it’s a money love triangle. And I feel disgusted that they would Slander GP the way they did. Takes away ALL their credibility.

      1. Keri Avatar

        Agreed! The Slander takes away all credibility. Cheeseslave just happened to write her blog posts while promoting a new organization that competes with Weston Price. Very fishy to me.

    2. Victor Cozzetto Avatar
      Victor Cozzetto

      Ruby, you misunderstood the points. The fact is that CLO (and meats) can indeed be fermented, and have been fermented for ages. This has already been explained in detail by many scientists and bloggers at the beginning of this controversy. And there are many other common products (i.e. Bonito flakes) that serve as examples. Anyone claiming that FCLO is not fermented is attempting to deceive the reader. Dr. Daniel, being a PhD in the field and working specifically with such food products certainly knows that her claims were false. There is no question that FCLO is a fermented product.

  11. Keri Avatar

    I am not sure if anyone mentioned the trans fat issue. “Independent lab tests have now revealed that there is naturally occurring trans fat in every single cod liver oil brand that was tested, not just fermented cod liver oil as incorrectly claimed.” https://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/the-truth-about-trans-fat-in-cod-liver-oil/

    Rositas Cod liver oil also has trans fat in it. (Which is not bad like Dr. Daniel says, it is actually natural). So again, there seems to be a lot of misleading information in the report that Dr. Daniel published. I spent a week reading through the data and different articles on this topic. I found no evidence that Fermented Cod Liver Oil is rancid. None. I even sent the H NMR data to my friend who is an organic chemist, (and not familiar with the controversy), and she confirmed that it is no rancid. Just think about it, if FCLO is rancid then why have so many people, (including Wellness Mama) successfully reversed tooth decay with FCLO and the butter oil. That simply would not have happened if it was rancid. I think Craig’s article, (above), is an excellent analysis of the odd timing of the whole affair.

    I personally think FCLO is superior to other Cod Liver Oils because it is easier to digest. Many people have compromised digestive systems and can not digest fats very well, (including autistic children).

  12. Ralph Havens Avatar
    Ralph Havens

    I have read with interest both sides of this. I think this blog post points out some interesting points. One of the big ones is that Kaayla Daniel’s does not name her sources or her labs.

    I am able to motility test substances and foods. It’s from the work of Sharon Giammatteo, PT, PhD and Integrative Manual Therapy. With any substance, some people may test well for it and others may not. Unless it is something like nutrasweet or good mountain spring water, most foods and substances don’t test well for 100% of the people.

    When I tested FCLO and the butter oil I found they tested well for my lymph, liver and GI systems and heart. My family tested well and when I checked in with amounts, I got 3 to 4 times a week was plenty of a tsp each. This could change over time so we like to motility test from time to time.

    There is a way to find out what is true to you and not rely on others for validation or to blame.

    Let me know and I can tell you more about motility testing.
    It’s not that hard to learn.

    Ralph Havens, PT, OCS, IMTC, certified matrix energetics practitioner

  13. Victor Cozzetto Avatar
    Victor Cozzetto

    Yes, there have been many updates over the last several months, and many scientists have come forward with test results and analysis that show the controversy to be a fraud. There is absolutely nothing wrong the FCLO products. In fact, the followup analysis has confirmed (again) many of the amazing things we often hear about the Green Pasture products.

    You can find these reports and analysis on several different sites, including Green Pastures home page and the Weston A. Price Foundation. Here are some links:

    https://www.greenpasture.org/blog/
    There are many new reports and tests, with analysis by several scientists.

    https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/cod-liver-oil/december-2008-update-2-on-cod-liver-oil/
    This has a list of articles, again with analysis from various scientists.

    There are others, but you can find most from the two above. The bottom line is that Dr. Daniel’s report was a fraud, and was used to support her own agendas; which she and others continue to push. Many in the blogging community attempt to remain neutral because of personal and business relationships, and I find that sad. Tests were called for, tests were delivered, the scientists provided analysis, and the FCLO came out glowing. Yet we still have people sitting on the fence for political reasons.

    As with all things, people should use common sense when consuming FCLO or any other product, as there is no food that fits everyone all the time. Sometimes that is not easy to determine, as some products can seem quite disagreeable, and yet provide great health benefits. Personally, I do not like the smell or taste of any of the FCLO products, and my stomach doesn’t like them much either. But I see amazing benefits from taking them. It is hard to argue with the evidence of healed cavities, reduced teeth sensitivity, and all the other benefits that people continue to observe with FCLO consumption. (Usually consumed with the High Vitamin Butter Oil).

    1. April Avatar

      Dr. Daniel’s agenda was to spread the truth. She knew what it would do to her career and her finances, yet she did it anyway. She wasn’t protecting herself, she was protecting others. What other motivation would there be? Why would someone knowingly ruin themselves in that way unless they believed in what they were doing? What is her agenda in your mind?

      You can find articles and lab reports to support either side of the issue. It’s all in how the information interpreted. I’ve been watching this entire scandal from the very beginning. I was hoping it wasn’t true, that we hadn’t been duped, but I believe we have from the research I’ve done.

      I gave my children FCLO/Butter Oil for years. I saw absolutely no benefits. When one of my children’s Vitamin D levels were tested they were low even though we live in one of the sunniest places in the US and they are outside a lot and she was taking FCLO/Butter Oil every day. I tried to take it myself but it would make me very sick. Every day that I took it I would become more nauseated to the point where I couldn’t eat. I don’t have any health problems and I can consume any other fat just fine. FCLO is the only one that makes me ill.

      I trusted Green Pasture. I spent a lot of money with them over the years. Now I can’t trust them and therefore I will not use their products ever again. I threw away FLCO/Butter Oil pills ($$$) because I don’t feel comfortable giving them to my family anymore. I don’t trust any CLO source and won’t give it to my family ever again.

      1. Victor Cozzetto Avatar
        Victor Cozzetto

        Your personal experiences mean that it was simply not for you. Far more people report extraordinary results from the products, and there has never been any question about this. Clearly you also know this, since you seem active in the community. Definitely trust your own instincts and body more. None of us can impose our assertions on others, as everyone is unique.

        Your perspective illustrates exactly why Dr. Daniel’s report was so dangerous and irresponsible – as she was perpetuating a lack of personal responsibility with her fraud. She knows the product is not dangerous, and she contradicts her own lab reports.

        Be careful of what you conclude from blood tests also. Testing blood for Vit D is woefully inadequate for telling us what is really happening. The health of your children’s bone and teeth, etc., will tell you a lot more.

        1. April Avatar

          Then why is she doing this? What do you believe are her motivations? You didn’t address that.

          Where is the proof that she is contradicting the lab reports? Of course Green Pasture and WAPF are going to say that. She has scientists that say one thing and GP and WAPF have scientists that say another.

          1. Victor Cozzetto Avatar
            Victor Cozzetto

            All these months later, there are now many scientific reports, analysis, etc. to refute everything she put forward, and while she claims she wanted more testing, all such tests are being ignore. She (and Gumpert, etc.) continue to march on, regardless of what facts come forward. During the same period they have offered nothing to contradict the scientists, other than the same rhetoric that started this fiasco. That is probably the most damning proof of all.

            Plenty of proof is also within her own report. If you read her report closely you will notice many problems. For example, she tries to make you think that the products were shown to have GMO content, but she never actually says it. She uses this strategy often, to lead the reader to believe something, without ever saying it is so. She goes on and on about the dangers of this and that, without making any direct connection to FCLO. Her words are carefully crafted to make you associate certain fears with the product or company. The intent to deceive is obvious and grotesque. Even more offensive is the tone and language of the report, which does not sound at all like a scientific document.

            Her claim that the FCLO is rancid is simply false, and is proven false by her own test reports. Most people simply reacted to her report title and claims, but never actually read it. There are no scientists that I have seen stepping forward to support her, but many coming out against her.

            David Gumpert obviously coordinated the ruse with her, as he published about ten articles attacking FCLO, Green Pasture, and WAPF, and not once did he ever list facts to support his belief that FCLO was rancid. He engaged the readers through hundreds of posts, and provided nothing but rhetoric. The facts are easy to list, as others have done in support of FCLO. The falseness of his efforts was/is far too obvious too me.

            Industrial espionage is nothing new, and sadly not uncommon at all. Most readers in the blogosphere are emotionally drawn in to believing or disbelieving – on the the notion that ‘conspiracy theory’ is too crazy. People think Dr. Daniel’s assertions are too crazy to be false, but it is simply common business practices these days, with rather common labels, such as astroturfing, seeding, etc. Yes, it is horrible to imagine, and even worse to witness, but it is all too common. Dr. Daniel, Gumpert, and a few others have simply executed a business plan that was built to feed off of consumer fear and confusion.

            I think it would be inappropriate for me to say precisely what her motivations are, as nobody can speak for another in that regard. However, there seem to be several obvious hints at possibilities:

            1. Craig does an excellent job of pointing out the ties between her and EVCLO, and there are other people that have added additional info about that connection on other blogs.

            2. If you actually read the report, you noticed that it was ‘behind a wall’ that required you to register information. Thus, it was not a public service, but rather bait to accumulate registration data, site traffic, etc. Such tactics are common in the internet age, where user data and site traffic have cash value.

            3. The site and report are loaded with ‘sales pitches’ that invite you to seek her services. These are not subtle or delicate.

            4. If you follow this fiasco closely, you will note a small group of people that banded together around her, all with the same agenda, which was eventually revealed in the birth of a new organization.

            I could go on and on about motivations, but it is all just speculation. Only she knows why she did it. However, it clearly was not done with good intention. The report is a premeditated fraud – something that was planned with great effort to deceive the reader.

  14. Julia E Avatar

    Do you take Green pasture’s skate liver oil?
    Any updates on the FCLO? I have about 1/2 dozen bottles and am not sure what to do…
    JLE

  15. peter Avatar

    AHH! I just got this for reversing cavities…. (I got the liquid form and it’s pretty intense). Do you think it’s still ok to use to reverse a cavity? I also have a vitamin D3 supplement.

    Love the site,but now i know to double check for updates before ordering. Your personal blood test, did you notice any difference when switching?

    thank you

      1. Chris Avatar

        Are you referring to the pure FCLO or the high vitamin butter oil FCLO blend for reversing cavities? Thanks

  16. Shannon Avatar

    Hi Katie,

    Thank you for your post and congratulations on your pregnancy. Just wondering, with the Rosita oil, what do you recomend for pregnancy and children in terms of dosage? I bought your pregnancy ebook and have been taking FCLO and giving it to my 2 yr old . So I am curious to know how much I would need of it. Thanks!

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