Is Fermented Cod Liver Oil Safe or Rancid?

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I’ve written in depth before about the supplements I personally take, which for a long time included fermented cod liver oil.

If you follow many bloggers in the natural health community, you’ve probably seen the recent drama about the potential quality issues with fermented cod liver oil. I delve into this in depth below but the summary of my personal current opinion on the issue is that:

  1. There is conflicting evidence on the safety of fermented cod liver oil (and more recently even on the safety of any omega-3 supplements) that warrant more research.
  2. Health and nutrition continue to become more and more personalized so what works for me is not likely to work for you and vice versa.
  3. I personally am focusing on getting all nutrients from food whenever possible and with rare exception and am sticking to foods like sardines and other low-mercury fish in place of supplements.

It is important to note that this is strictly my personal opinion and is in no way close to medical advice (nor is any information on this website). As always, I encourage you to do your own research and due diligence on any health related decisions.

FCLO Drama…

Fermented Cod Liver Oil is considered a traditional food that has been recommended by the Weston A. Price Foundation and many real food bloggers (including me) for years. It was even the WAPF recommended brand for use in homemade infant formula and many members take it religiously.

On August 21, 2015, Weston A. Price Foundation Vice President Dr. Kaayla Daniel released a 100+ page report detailing the results of independent lab tests that she had on samples of Green Pastures Fermented Cod Liver Oil and that alleged major issues with the brand, including rancidity, lower levels of nutrients than were claimed, and sourcing issues.

Dr. Daniel’s report claims that FCLO is not actually fermented, is rancid, putrid, and adulterated with other (cheaper) oils. It also alleges that there are lower levels of fat soluble nutrients in FCLO than claimed and that the oil isn’t even from cod. Serious claims from a well-respected person in the real food community.

Understandably, this has left many people in the real food community reeling and looking for answers. I’ve gotten many emails, comments, and social media messages in the last few days asking what my take on the subject is, and have spent a lot of time researching this myself.

Below is my personal opinion and research on this issue based on the information available right now. I will continue to update this post as more information is revealed.

My hope is that no matter the outcome of further research and study about fermented cod liver oil, the real food community will take this as a lesson in the importance of verifying the quality of supplements and use this as an opportunity to improve the real food movement, rather than to divide the community.

Is Fermented Cod Liver Oil Safe or Rancid?

In short… I don’t know.

Based on the information available from both sides, I don’t think it is possible for anyone (short of Green Pastures, the company producing the fermented cod liver oil in question) to know the answers to all of the questions that many people are asking right now. At the same time, there are some holes in the report from Dr. Daniels and some potential financial ties that have come to light that call her motivation into question.

When our family first started taking fermented cod liver oil years ago, I did a lot of research on the company and on cod liver oil in general (as anyone should do before taking fat soluble vitamins regularly). The only lab reports I was able to find at the time were from Green Pastures and they showed no rancidity in the fermented cod liver oil and verified that FCLO did contain the fat soluble vitamins it was known for.

The recent report from Dr. Daniel calls these tests into question. Her results have the lab company and the party funding the test blurred out, which is somewhat suspect, though I do not think that this necessarily discredits the information in the reports. The report does, however, make some assertions about certain compounds being harmful as a justification for why FCLO is not safe, and some of these claims are not backed by existing science (or are at least controversial).

In the last six months or so, I’ve actually been researching and testing different forms of cod liver oil after readers have inquired about different brands and reported issues they’ve had with FCLO.

My Experience

Our family has seen benefits from taking fermented cod liver oil over the years, including reversal of tooth decay. I’ve also noticed that my skin is naturally more sun tolerant since taking FCLO, probably from the fat soluble vitamins it contains.

At the same time, there is the possibility that the quality of Green Pastures FCLO has changed since I researched it years ago, or that more recent lab testing has been able to reveal problems that were undetectable years ago.

Fermented Cod Liver Oil: The Claims

FCLO is Not Fermented:

There may be some truth to this claim. I’ve talked before about the importance of fermented foods for health, and why the naturally created beneficial bacteria in fermented foods are so important.

The red flag that Daniels explains is that oil cannot ferment. The process of fermentation requires the presence of a carbohydrate as the food for the fermentation process. Many people (including me) assumed that an unnamed carbohydrate was used for the fermentation process but was removed by the process so it was not listed on the ingredients or that the livers themselves were fermented and not the oil (as an oil can’t ferment without another ingredient).

Green Pastures owner Dave Wetzel has been less than transparent about this fermentation process, though supposedly he has brought several WAPF members and high profile bloggers to his facility to see the process and verify its quality. (I have never been to the facility and have no firsthand knowledge of this process, so I have to rely on Dave’s explanation of his process).

This is one area that I hope we see more detail on from Green Pastures and from independent sources in the future. For now, the debate about the process used and what part of the process actually requires fermentation does not necessarily mean that the final product is not high quality, but it does raise some interesting questions to explore.

FCLO is Rancid:

Fats and oils cannot ferment without carbohydrates, so what happens when they are exposed to the conditions of fermentation? In short, they go rancid.

This is the basis for the claims in the new report. The independent lab results from Dr. Daniel show several biomarkers of rancidity in the samples tested (these were not present in the reports I found in my initial research).

In Daniel’s tests, peroxide, free fatty acids and other biomarkers of rancidity were found. I was unable to find clear answers directly from Green Pastures, though I found several older articles and interviews in which Dave states that his product does not contain these biomarkers or that the substances are not harmful. Again, more research is needed from independent sources on this.

Low Levels of Vitamins:

Another claim in the reports is that FCLO contains less fat soluble vitamins than claimed and that the Vitamin D is in the form of D2 and not D3.

The common consensus among medical experts is that D3 is the preferred form, though Green Pastures claims that D2 is equally safe and effective. To be fair, all forms of cod liver oil contain higher levels of D2 and this does not necessarily raise a red flag, but again, more research is needed.

Also, Green Pastures has never made claims, to my knowledge, about the levels of nutrients in their products, carefully explaining that they are a food product and that levels can change.

Not Actually Cod:

The report further claimed that the DNA tests on Green Pastures products showed that the livers used were from Alaskan Polluck, not cod. This seems to be partially an issue of understanding of fish species and families, since:

The Alaska pollock or walleye pollock (Gadus chalcogrammus, formerly Theragra chalcogramma) is a marine fish species of the cod family Gadidae. Alaska pollock is a semipelagic schooling fish widely distributed in the North Pacific with largest concentrations found in the eastern Bering Sea.

After hours of research, I could not find any definitive answer directly from Green Pastures about the origin or species of the fish they use. The closest I could find was Dave’s vague answer from his own FAQs:

Ok, The question arises on the topic of location of the fish. The fish school in the northern, cold waters around the Arctic Ocean. They do not have a nationality and a fish can school for a 1000+ miles in its life. So the relevance of the specific spot the fish is cleaned is not relevant to the discussion, ‘is the fish safe to consume’.

Red Flags from the Report

While Kaayla’s report certainly raises some concerns about FCLO, it also raises some concerns about its own validity. For instance:

  • The labs used for the testing and who paid for the independent testing is not disclosed. This isn’t necessarily a red flag on its own, but given the rumored history of drama within the WAPF organization, I think it deserves further investigation. Given how much heated press this report has generated, I can certainly understand the potential desire of a donor to remain anonymous in the report,  but it does raise a red flag.
  • Though I have no firsthand experience with any of the board members of WAPF, including Sally Fallon or Dr. Daniel, reports of internal drama run rampant in the real food community. In fact, I avoided joining the WAPF for years partially because of these claims. We have not heard an official response from WAPF or Green Pastures yet, and I think that thoroughly evaluating both sides will be an important step for any of us looking to understand the long term validity of these claims.
  • The one funding source that Kaayla mentions in the report, Dr. Ron Schmid ND, has a long and somewhat dramatic history with FCLO. He reportedly took (really large doses- above the recommended amount) of regular cod liver oil and then fermented cod liver oil for decades and attributes them to his severe heart disease. He has also stated publicly that he attributes his miraculous recovery from heart disease with discontinuing taking FCLO. Not exactly an unbiased source. Again, this does not discredit the information, but does raise some additional questions.
  • While Daniels lists sources for many of her claims, she doesn’t list her sources for many of her quotes. In fact, while she says she talked to many experts (including “top university professors, scientists, researchers, lab managers, doctors and other health care practitioners”), these sources are unnamed for many of her more serious allegations. Obviously, these claims would carry much more weight if they were substantiated and sourced.
  • It also raised a red flag for me that Daniel has a call to action for her own services in the report, saying: “Finally, if you think you have health challenges related to FCLO consumption, share your story with friends, colleagues . . . and me. If you think you’ve been harmed, I would like to offer you a FREE mini appointment by phone or face-to- face on Skype. To share your story or to make your appointment, contact me at ***********@earthlink.net.” I can understand her desire to help others if she truly feels that FCLO is harmful, but a report making these allegations does not seem like the appropriate place to make this offer. Again, not a reason to discredit the report, but a red flag.
  • Emerging information has also revealed some potential political ties from the new organization Dr. Daniels founded after leaving/being forced out of WAPF and the makers of the Extra Virgin Cod Liver Oil product she recommends. In other words, the company she recommends as an alternative to FCLO is a sponsor of her new organization so she may have a bias here. Additionally, there is a lot of information floating around about potential conflict within the old organization hierarchy of WAPF that suggests there may be much more to the story on both sides.

The Bottom Line

Based on the available information at this time, it is extremely difficult or impossible to draw a definitive conclusion on the issue of the quality of Green Pastures FCLO or other CLO products. I think that this whole “scandal” is a symptom of a much bigger problem- the mud slinging between competing companies and emerging attacks on both sides of the fence.

The report brings up some serious points and hints at some possible misleading information from Green Pastures over the years. As a mom who has given FCLO to my own family for years and seen good enough results to share my experience with you, I am extremely angry and disappointed in Green Pastures if any of these claims turn out to be true. At the same time, there are some serious holes in the Dr. Daniel’s report and the potential financial ties to the new company bring up more questions.

I think more research and disclosure is needed from both parties, and like I said, I hope that all of us in the real food community will use this as an opportunity to improve, learn more, and get to the truth, and not as an excuse to argue and divide.

At the end of the day, I have to hope and trust until I see evidence to the contrary that both the founders of Green Pastures and Dr. Daniel are interested in health and serving their communities and continue to evaluate any information as objectively as possible.

At the same time, I don’t think either side is unbiased.

Green Pastures, of course, derives a profit from the sale of their FCLO. Dr Daniel has a rumored history of contention with different parties within WAPF and with Green Pastures as well as potential financial ties to the new EVCLO company. Again, none of these are relevant to the validity of the data in the reports or even necessarily to the motivation of either party, but they do provide a possible motivation for slanting information one way or the other.

At the end of the day, things are rarely what they seem on the surface and my guess is that we will continue to find more from both sides of this story.

What Our Family is Doing

As I mentioned, after many reader questions, I have been researching FCLO and alternative cod liver oil sources for months.

Since there is so much conflicting information on the issue right now, please share any information or research you’ve found in the comments below. Has your opinion of FCLO changed as a result of this report?

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About Katie Wells

Katie Wells, CTNC, MCHC, Founder of Wellness Mama and Co-founder of Wellnesse, has a background in research, journalism, and nutrition. As a mom of six, she turned to research and took health into her own hands to find answers to her health problems. WellnessMama.com is the culmination of her thousands of hours of research and all posts are medically reviewed and verified by the Wellness Mama research team. Katie is also the author of the bestselling books The Wellness Mama Cookbook and The Wellness Mama 5-Step Lifestyle Detox.

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329 responses to “Is Fermented Cod Liver Oil Safe or Rancid?”

  1. Michele Avatar

    i have been taking it and giving it to my baby. I am livid. Sickened. I just don’t understand how this can be allowed to happen. But beyond this, I am now so confused. Is there a benefit to Cod Liver Oil over Fish Oil from sardines/anchovies/salmon?

    1. sarah Avatar

      The mentioned product in this article isn’t Rosita EVCLO, it is rat fish oil…

    2. Keri Avatar

      Yes, I do not trust a company that has tested for high levels of toxins in any of their products. I am surprised that many health food bloggers are recommending this product.

  2. Rachel Avatar

    I have been taking Swanson Double Strength Cod Liver Oil caps for a little while now in the dosages recommended by WAPF. My toddlers actually ASK to have them (and chew them up which I think is gross, but apparently they think it’s tasty!) I had been thinking of switching to FCLO for remineralizing cavities, but I think I’ll stick with what I’m taking (it was on the WAPF “good but not best” list.) Do you think the same doses of CLO but just not the FCLO will do the same job for remineralizing teeth? Has anyone else had experience with this?

    1. Kathryn Avatar
      Kathryn

      Swanson and other less expensive brands of CLO add in synthetic vitamins to get their specific A and D levels.

  3. Harmony Avatar

    I am also very upset/angry about this turn of events. I recently purchased a bottle of fclo for my 4yr old to take and 2 bottles of fclo& bo capsules for my husband and I. Because I’m in Canada these products are even more expensive – this was an investment of more than $200 including shipping!! Which is a significant amount to a single income family with 2 small children. Although all financial repercussions pale in comparison to what health implications this has on both my kids as I’m a nursing mom who also spoon feeds this stuff to my oldest child.
    I’ve also read up on this at Chris Kresser’s site and he, like you, has taken a very professional ” more info needed” stance on this issue.
    I’m not sure whether to take what I have or stop until further info is available – because of my kids I’m leaning toward stopping. Any input? Anyone

  4. Emilie M. Avatar
    Emilie M.

    Thanks for the thoughtful article! I’ve read about this controversy from several different sources, including a statement issued by GP regarding Dr. Daniels’ report, and I still don’t know what to think. I had been taking FCLO everyday for the past two months and, honestly, I can’t think of a single negative side effect–though this isn’t to say that I feel that I’m completely in the clear. Sheesh, maybe it was all a matter of the placebo effect? Who knows.
    I suppose that I, too, am bothered by the lack of transparency from both parties. GP’s statement didn’t seem to directly address findings in Dr. Daniels’ report; rather, it was more of a broad rebuttal (which, in itself, isn’t necessarily a bad thing). I’m just going to have to trust my instincts, keep my ears / eyes open, and do my homework.
    Thanks again, and looking forward to your findings!

  5. anne Avatar

    I started taking the brand you recommended a few months ago and I stopped taking it after a couple of days because it made me so sick. I did start taking it right after finding out I was pregnant so I don’t know if that had anything to do with it. I tried taking it with food, right after food, alone, before bed and it made me sick no matter what. So I have an almost full bottle still in my fridge. Hopefully some answers will come to light soon on this issue. Thanks for your post.

  6. Allison Avatar

    I have 6 bottles! Been taking it semi-regularly for over a year and can’t stomach throwing all that money away. I think I will continue to take it….

    However, I am wondering for my newly pregnant sister – what would you recommend? Should she take the FCLO (she told me she wants to start) or a non-fermented kind.

    Also, what K2 supplement do you take?

  7. Andrea Fabry Avatar
    Andrea Fabry

    As a health blogger, I relate to your sense of violation by GP. You have done an outstanding job sorting through all of this. It’s interesting to me that I have never been able to stomach the FCLO. Because I couldn’t develop a taste whatsoever I couldn’t offer it to my kids with a clear conscience. And I’m able to develop a taste for pretty much anything – including natto! I figured that unless I can catch the fish myself and extract the oil I’m inherently taking a risk when I buy cod liver oil in any form. I always go back to my instincts as a mom and as a woman. I’ve learned to trust them. I still think FCLO is likely much better than a can of Dr. Pepper or Big Mac. Thank you, Kate!

  8. Reblou Avatar

    Katie, should I be concerned that I’ve been taking this FCLO for the last 34 weeks of my pregnancy? I’ll stop until I learn more but a little worried now.
    Thanks, RW

    1. Doan Avatar

      I am planning to start taking it next week. I’m currently 9 weeks pregnant now. How is your experience so far? Are there any noticeable benefits to your baby and yourself?

      Thanks for sharing.

  9. Casey Avatar

    For what it’s worth, taking FCLO is what tipped the hat with my histamine responses. I would take my dose at night and within minutes, I would start sneezing and itching so bad that I had to take a Benadryl to calm my body down and sleep. (This is not faulting the FCLO, as my body was obviously in a state of distress.) However, because of that response, my ND advised me to take Nordic Naturals cod liver oil…not fermented. I also take a liquid Vitamin D supplement and eat real butter. Since making the switch, I have felt much better! I’m not sure where GP product’s will end up on the nutritional scale for vitamins, but there are other ways to get those omega 3’s!

  10. elizabeth Avatar
    elizabeth

    when i click on your fermented oil link, it comes up at extra-virgin cod liver oil. the picture at the top is a “gel” and the link is a different produce (not fermented. i’m confused 🙂
    also, i can’t find FCLO GEL anywhere. can you help with all this? thanks so much, Katie!

  11. Ann Avatar

    I took my usual FCLO and HVBO this morning as I have been doing for the last 10 years with great benefit.

    Dr. Daniel has not been open or honest at all about the funding for her tests, over $50,000 if her own estimation of $10,000 per Testing Company is true. Who paid for that? As Sally said so many years ago in “Oiling of America”, follow the money.

    I am certain the Dave will be adding more information on his labels and this comes with our new understanding.

    I observe that the majority of people who feel betrayed by GP have turned to the Rosita brand. If I were a betting woman, I would say that Rosita is one of those who funded Dr. Daniel.

    Dr. Daniel please do as you have written and be open and transparent and provide the community with the names of those people and companies who have donated to your funding for the testing.

      1. Victor Cozzetto Avatar
        Victor Cozzetto

        Innocent until proven guilty, Katie. I am quite surprised at your stance on this issue, and it has been over two weeks already. There has never been, and still is not any proof of the claims against the Green Pasture FCLO products. I understand everyone’s shock from the report; however, there is simply no basis for the doubts you express, other than that bogus report from Dr. Daniel.

        You actually have first hand experience with the effectiveness of FCLO, and that experience is superior to any test results. Yet, you still expressed doubt in the face of that report, and now you have sent many of your readers fleeing from a product that could help them. Some people may very well lose teeth or suffer other ailments due to FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).

        Please consider reviewing your stance and posting an update. As for me, and the vast majority of FCLO users, the stellar reputation of Green Pasture and their products remains intact. The reputation of Dr. Daniel and others jumping on that bandwagon is another story.

    1. Joanie Blaxter Avatar
      Joanie Blaxter

      Ann, from my perspective WHO FUNDED THE TEST RESULTS IS IRRELEVANT. I’ve worked in the natural foods & products industry my whole life, especially supplements, and third party testing is the gold standard.

      If the testing was being done over months and months, as in a LONG TERM STUDY, then yes, who paid for the study would matter. But in terms of one-time, third party testing, which is what Dr. Daniels did, it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever, UNLESS DR. DANIELS FALSIFIED THE RESULTS. Which, I believe, is why she included a photograph of the original, but with the names blacked out – to prove she had NOT falsified the results.

      The BLACKING OUT OF NAMES IS ALSO IRRELEVANT. What if Dr. Daniels took her sample of GP clo and deliberately left it in the sun for a month before sending it off for testing? And then she placed an advertisement stating how XYC lab results prove that GP clo is rancid?

      To protect themselves, if a second party, and not the manufacturer, sends in the sample, the second party must legally agree not to use the name of the lab because the lab cannot guarantee what happened to the sample before they receive it, only the quality of the work they do to test it.

      From my perspective as a WAPF chapter leader, THE ONLY WAY OUT of this mess is for WAPF TO FUND A REPETITION OF THE SAME TESTS done by Dr. Daniel. If GP sends in the samples as the manufacturer, the labs should have no problem letting their names be used when the results are made public.

      1. Patti B. Avatar
        Patti B.

        WHY DO OCCASIONALLY SHOUT? These points might not be relevant to you, but, please don’t dismiss the concerns of others. I, for one, would like transparency or I’m not buying it.

        1. Joanie Blaxter Avatar
          Joanie Blaxter

          Sorry, Patty, didn’t mean to seem like I was shouting. I’m not a frequent online commenter and am n ot familiar with all the standards.

          I merely put that information in caps because it’s not possible to bold or emphasize any other way.

  12. Becky B Avatar

    Green Pastures FCLO seems like it has been a cornerstone of the real food health movement with many experts practically saying it’s a must have supplement! They are also a sponsor of the WAPF and I’m sure that had to do with why the foundation was reluctant to do more independent testing. I haven’t read all of Daniel’s article, but reading the reviews it sounds like there is some shoddy research techniques there (not disclosing the lab names). Also from what I did read, the tone is very problematic. Still what’s most concerning to me is the lack of transparency and that the product may have been cut with vegetable oil!
    I’m not to concerned about the levels of the vitamins. Those will vary between batches and because they contain many forms of fat soluble vitamins it is difficult to measure.

    I am wondering though about how temperature affects the FCLO and EVCLO. When I ordered my bottle of FCLO it was during summer and the bottle was very hot after I opened the box. I’m considering ordering the Rosita Real Foods brand, but I’m also concerned about the lack of refrigeration or heat protection and rancidity.

    I also have never gotten a good explanation of what exactly a rancid oil is and why it is so harmful. Is there bacteria in the oil? Is there a chemical change to the oil? Fermented cod liver oil is a traditional way of preserving the oil, as is cold pressing. But can we really assume the Rosita oil will be fresh if it’s coming from Norway to the US?

    I tried the cinnamon tingle FCLO and it gave me stomach cramps in diarrhea. After a few doses I couldn’t ever bring myself to try it again. I assumed it was the fat content or the stevia that bothered me, but now my doc has me off fermented foods so I believe that was a factor as well.

    Lesson is: even a good supplement won’t work for everyone and we should always ask questions!!

    1. Dee Avatar

      Hi Becky,

      I had the same concerns about shipping and heat.

      As far as rancidity, I think the simplest explanation of the problem is that rancidity is caused by oxidation. Oxidative stress leads to inflammation in the body, and that leads to all kinds of health problems. It is one of the reasons I have long avoided frying and overheating foods, and also make sure to store oils, nuts and seeds in a cool place, and well-sealed to keep out as much air as possible.

      I think one of the easiest things to forget when we’re trying something that is supposed to be very healthy, is to listen to our own bodies! I had that problem recently with something my functional doctor prescribed.

    2. Dee Avatar

      I had the same concerns about shipping and heat.

      The easiest explanation of the rancidity problem is that it’s oxidized. Oxidation causes inflammation in the body and that leads to lots of health issues. It’s the reason I have long avoided frying or overheating foods, and also keep oils, nuts, and seeds in a cool place and well sealed to keep out as much air as possible.

      I think one of the easiest things to forget when we’re trying something that is supposed to be healthy is to listen to our own body.

  13. Colombo Avatar

    Competition is always a good thing for consumers.

    And manufacturers must be examined routinely.

    If one tries something, and it does not feel right, then you better stop, even if someone is pushing. Just don’t risk your health to prove you are one of the faithful. Health is not a religion.

    As for me, yes, I disbelieve that something so stinky can be any good. But I may be wrong. In my opinion, the best is to eat about one pound of real oily fish every week, if that is possible. Yeah, difficult and expensive, I know.

    So, it is a matter of personal choice. I wish everyone chooses wisely.

  14. LAURA Avatar

    GRRRRR!!!! I Literally just bought FCLO! It’s supposed to arrive in the mail today. i was looking forward to taking it now i feel like i wasted 60.00. Is anyone here going to continue taking FCLO??

    1. Patti B. Avatar
      Patti B.

      I am continuing to take it. I have a skepticism of this report from Dr. Daniel. I don’t know why, I just do. It’s my gut. So until I hear what I consider an unbiased source that it is bad- I will continue to take it.

      1. LAURA Avatar

        just curious, how long have you been taking it and has it been beneficial?

        1. Patti B. Avatar
          Patti B.

          I have been taking it only a month. I will be going soon to get blood tests to determine if it is making a difference. I have hypothyroidism, so I get blood tests done often. I bought a years worth of it and it has never made me sick to my stomach. I take the capsules. Actually it might be closer to two months when I do the math.

    2. Keri Avatar

      I have been taking FCLO for 2 years with no problems. I just bought a 3 months supply not too long ago so I spent a ridiculous amount of time reviewing the data for and against FCLO. I even sent copies of the H NMR analysis the Green Pastures did to my friend who is an organic chemist. It is not rancid/hyper-oxidized. Dr. Daniel seems to have an agenda, (just my opinion).

    1. Michelle G Avatar
      Michelle G

      I think unless you have other information, don’t simply depend on Dr Mercola. I found his information interesting, but every time I received an email from him, it was overloaded with adverts for his own products. Now, I do realise that bloggers and website purveyors need financial support. However, when each and every recommendation comes with a “buy this product from me now” link, I tend to take a step back. Lots of bloggers have affiliate links, but it is not usually so in your face. I think Dr Mercola’s website does have some good information, but definitely do your own research and see whether there is any independent evidence that something works.

      For krill oil, I have seen loads of anecdotes, but no real evidence to date. And I have seen scads of articles in favour and against krill oil, some going so far as calling it a “krill oil hoax” and that it’s a waste of money, and others claiming it’s akin to the waters at Lourdes. Well, of course, the truth is somewhere in between, but since I can’t find a definitive answer, I am not spending the money to buy this particular supplement.

      Hope you find the answer easier than me!

      Cheers, Michelle G

  15. Jenn Avatar

    Thank you for a well written response, Wellness Mama! I had never even heard of Dr. Daniel until this report came out. However, I have thought on many occasions, that I wish someone would give Dave Wetzel some competition. Force him to show more care for his clients who spend a fortune on his product. His website and customer service are terrible. He is rude, ignores questions, and is very vague about the contents of his products. I think we all should be concerned about his unwillingness to be honest and transparent. We are all about real food, honest labeling, knowing where our food comes from but we blindly support this man when he is unwilling to tell us what is in the products that our families are consuming? My question to Dave years ago was regarding essential oils in the products. Many people don’t believe adults or children should be consuming essential oils, but they are added to most of his products with no information about amounts or where the EO’s come from. He refused to answer my question. I still don’t know, so we stick to unflavored. I hope we can get some answers. I hope Dr. Daniel’s information turns out to be false, but perhaps this should remind us all not to blindly follow. We should all hold Dave Wetzel accountable. Peopek are doubting him now, in part, because he has not been upfront in the past. We deserve honesty from him, and his recent blog response on this matter didn’t cut it. Maybe we should return all our FCLO and stop purchasing from Green Pastures until we have some answers.

  16. Chuck Avatar

    As someone who has fished for cod off the Maine Coast I can tell you cod is loaded with parasites and worms. Yes, even in the liver. It’s not uncommon to get a can of cod livers from Europe and finding worms in the livers.
    So there is an exposure with fermented or extra virgin cod liver oil because neither is heated to kill these beggars.
    Also, take a close look at Green Pasture Butter Oil. Look at the color and the amount of butter wax in it.
    I found it to be 75% butter wax and 25% ?
    I make my own raw butter and unheated raw butter oil and can tell you it’s very bright yellow and taste great.
    One pound of raw June butter from the Northeast (cows eating 100% grass) will give you the following. 7 ounces of butter wax, 4 ounces of milk solids, and 5 ounces of pure bright yellow butter oil.
    No need to buy butter oil. Just eat good butter.
    Do the math. You can buy raw butter for $8-10 bucks a pound and get 5 ounces of butter oil or you can buy an 8 oz jar of Green Pasture butter oil for $60.00 and get lots of butter wax and ?
    If you don’t believe me, take a jar of Green Pasture butter oil and put it in an old Omega jucier with the cloth filter and see what you end up with. You won’t be a happy camper.

    1. Michelle G Avatar
      Michelle G

      Thank you Chuck, for this comment! I was thinking exactly the same thing. I use both coconut oil and ghee for cooking and raw butter for everything else, and really love it. I had bought some of the GP blend (FCLO + Butter Oil) ion capsules, so it was easy to take, but it did smell a bit funny, so had to take it really quickly, holding my nose 😉 Having said that, I did notice almost immediately, that I was feeling less irritable and my moods were less volatile, which I attributed to this supplement. I ordered a second bottle, but had decided that I can’t really afford the price, as 1 bottle of 120 capsules is a does of 4 capsules each day and costs over £30 GBP.

      On the news of this story earlier this week, I did look at Rosita, but outside of the US, you have to buy it directly from their website, and they do not have good security practices (they confirmed by account by sending my password “in the clear” which is a red flag), and they made some excuse about people who have just created an account tend to forget the password they just created (!) so I chose not to do business with them.

      Lastly, the concern about cold processing animal products has finally decided the matter for me. It doesn’t sound safe, even though I believe it is not rancid (regardless of its fishy scent!), but for all of the above reasons, it’s a NO from me 😉

      Cheers, Michelle G

    2. Kyung Avatar

      Hi Chuck, how do you make your own raw butter? Is this the same thing in the end as the High vitamin butter oil?

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