194: Longevity, Autoimmunity, and Plant-Based Diets With Nora Gedgaudas

194: Longevity, Autoimmunity, and Plant-Based Diets With Nora Gedgaudas

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Longevity, Autoimmunity and Plant Based Diets with Nora Gedgaudas

I could not be more excited about today’s conversation and today’s guest because I am here with Nora Gedgaudas who is by and large one of the early leaders in the ancestral health and healthy living movement. Her work is brilliant and she is one of the best researchers I know.

Here’s just a short intro to her long list of accomplishments: Nora Gedgaudas is a board-certified nutritional consultant and a board-certified clinical neurofeedback specialist with over 20 years of clinical experience solving the toughest health cases. She’s a world-recognized authority on ketogenic diets, ancestrally based nutrition, and has best-selling books including Primal Body, Primal Mind, Rethinking Fatigue, and her newest book, Primal Fat Burner: Live Longer, Slow Aging, and Super-Power Your Brain and Save Your Life With a High Fat, Low-Carb Paleo Diet. (That’s a mouthful!)

Nora offers a Primalgenic health certification program, one of the best out there, called Primal Restoration. It’s a unique and invaluable source of unique cutting-edge information. If you can’t tell, I really respect her research and I’ll link to as much of it as possible in the resources below.

Let’s get into it!

Episode Highlights With Nora Gedgaudas

  • how Nora’s health career came out of her personal fight against chronic depression
  • why she resists the labels “paleo” and “ketogenic” and came up with a new approach
  • how much protein we really need and why we shouldn’t eat too much
  • the reason our diet should be high in vegetables by volume and fat by calories
  • why the vast majority of people with autoimmune disease may never know it
  • the new metabolic pathway science just discovered and what it could explain about cancer growth
  • how gluten sensitivity may not be something you can heal (sad)
  • “oral tolerance” — what it is and how it’s just as important as healing your gut
  • the surprising reason we actually don’t need dietary carbohydrates
  • if women can handle a keto diet for the long-term
  • Nora’s take on longevity (it’s fascinating!)
  • so much more!

Resources We Mention

Books by Nora Gedgaudas

Episode Quotables From Nora Gedgaudas

“And I’ve grown very weary of trying to fit myself like a square peg into a round hole, into either the so-called paleo thing or the so-called ketogenic thing, there’s a lot going on that I have a really hard time with. So what I’ve done is I’ve kind of decided to sort of set up my own terminology, something that divests itself a little bit of the stigmas and baggage associated with these other highly commercialized terms now, and I referred to it as ‘Primalgenic.'”

“Fat is naturally meant to be our primary source of fuel as a species in the form of free fatty acids and ketones. Glucose instead is meant to serve strictly an auxiliary or secondary role.”

“I believe we’re living in a more hostile environment that anything our prehistoric ancestors could wrap themselves around. But what’s most threatening to us today are those things that are actually invisible to us, and we’re not wired for that.”

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  1. So many “frame-able” quotes in this podcast. I just love Nora now and am so incredibly grateful for being introduced to her. My concern / question is something I don’t expect will get a response necessarily but I would LOVE to hear more details / practical suggestions for making the primal / keto diet she describes work, for children in particular. I consider myself very well versed in foods / nutrition but I still struggle with the notion of how to fill my plate on a diet of less than 7 ounces daily protein. As for fats, I cook with tallow, refined coconut oil and ghee but still find my diet consists of more than that 7 ounces protein. I think, in a practical sense, removing all carbs is still quite challenging in the sense that you then must replace that with what I feel is a quite low quantity of protein.

    Also, on a separate note, I would like to respectfully point out that while some of the minor restrictions (like spices, for example) on the AIP diet may be unnecessary, the AIP diet is by far one of the most nutrient dense diets on the planet, as opposed to nutrient deficient. It the diet that is responsible for my now eating offal, sardines and other fish, and much much more. It has helped myself and thousands of others, and I am extremely grateful that many offer their little “AIP food courses”. The idea is not that this health industry, even the ancestral one, should be controlled by the few and powerful, but by the many who are themselves well educated. I can think of at least three AIP courses that are extremely beneficial to anyone looking to improve their issues through diet. Finally, I love that we live in a world where we have options, that regular people are educating themselves about primal health through diets like AIP, and in turn helping others heal.


  2. I enjoyed this episode and Nora is obviously very educated on the topics she spoke about, but I have such a problem with the way she presented her information, as do a lot of the guests on the show. The idea of it HAS to be this way, all the time, forever. Paraphrasing here, but she said “everyone needs to ditch gluten yesterday and never have it ever again.” This type of extreme thoughts and behaviors on food is what I feel has led me to have disordered thoughts and behaviors around food. It’s the all or nothing mentality. It’s the idea of “screw it, I’ve already messed up/had gluten/messed with my gut/etc so what’s the point?” which logically I know doesn’t make sense, but ask any psychologist and they will tell you this is normal human behavior when we are faced with restrictions (and in our culture, we are up against a lot). I know she repeated several times that she isn’t a nutrition politician and not in the business of telling you what you want to hear, but I just felt like she was kind of mean. She’s not looking at the whole person, only the person that can live in a vacuum. She’s not looking at the person who has developed disordered eating patterns because of ALLLLLLL the information on food and wellness that we have been saturated with for years. I know she doesn’t like moderation, but isn’t making small adjustments and practicing moderation better than a SAD diet??? I just felt like she was extremely polarizing and as someone working SO hard to recover from disordered eating, I felt very triggered by a lot of her extremist view points (even though I actually agree with most of what she was saying – it was her delivery). I just wanted to write because I think this needs to be part of the discussion, Katie. I think you should talk more about how the path to perfection with health and wellness creates a lot of disordered eating.

    • I agree with you about developing an unhealthy relationship with food due to all the info (often conflicting) out there. It makes me paranoid about what I’m eating and feeding my family- it’s hard to just enjoy food anymore. Also, I have Crohn’s disease, and though I’ve followed various extreme diets over the years in attempt to restore my health (Paleo, vegan, raw, Maker’s diet, scd) , the fact is that eating certain healthy foods (like many veggies) makes my symptoms debilitating, while gluten free toast with peanut butter gives me some relief. But then I feel guilty about eating it! It makes me want to tune out all the experts and just figure out what works for me on my own.

  3. At about 15 minutes into the podcast, Nora presents the theory that humans evolved from an anaerobic blob. While she of course is entitled to her opinion, the problem is she presents this theory as established scientific fact. While I find her diet and nutrition research compelling, I do not agree theory should be presented as incontestable fact.

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