Is Dairy Healthy or Dangerous?

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Dairy is a tricky topic when it comes to health. We all depend on it in some form as babies. But the question about adults and dairy is a tougher one to answer. Processed junk “food” obviously has no place in a healthy diet, but is dairy healthy?

Dairy Defined

Dairy products are made up of a mix of protein, fats, and carbohydrates. It does have bioavailable nutrients we need in its raw state. Things like phosphorus. potassium, vitamin A, magnesium, and vitamin D.

Dairy intake can also spike insulin levels thanks to the sugar (lactose) and certain proteins it has. Grass-fed dairy from pastured cows can hardly be compared to the pasteurized conventional dairy on supermarket shelves. Milk isn’t supposed to look watery and slightly blue!

Different forms of dairy include:

  • Raw, low-fat, and whole milk
  • Ice Cream
  • Cottage cheese
  • Soft and hard cheeses
  • Fermented dairy products like kefir and yogurt
  • Lactose-free milk products (everything from ice cream to skim milk)

The Experts Weigh In

So what’s a health-conscious mom to do? Some groups, like the Weston A. Price Foundation, recommend regularly eating dairy. When it’s organic, raw, and grass-fed that is, especially if it’s fermented. Those on the Paleo side point out dairy is relatively new to the human diet.

Then there’s the American Heart Association with a different view. They recommend 2-3 servings of dairy a day, but only fat-free and low-fat options. Conventional dietary guidelines have dairy as its own food group on the My Plate guidelines.

To help understand the quandary, let’s first look at the different kinds of dairy.

Conventional Pasteurized Dairy

Most states have laws requiring any milk sold for humans to be pasteurized. While this kills off any harmful pathogens, it throws the baby out with the bathwater. It also gives it a longer shelf life at the expense of valuable nutrients. Pasteurization kills live (beneficial) milk enzymes and destructures the proteins. This also reduces the vitamins and kills the “live and active” cultures that have health benefits.

Many dietitians tell us to drink dairy milk because it has calcium. However conventional dairy actually isn’t a great calcium source. It’s put to shame by higher food sources, like leafy greens and sardines.

The Problem with Regular Dairy

Dairy marketing is targeted at kids, athletes, and people wanting to slim down. Then there are the elderly who are encouraged to drink a glass of milk for osteoporosis prevention. Fun fact: we need saturated fat to absorb calcium. This means a low-fat diet can put you at a higher risk of osteoporosis!

Growing kids drink more milk than any other group. It’s recommended for their growth and schools give it instead of water. And it gets even worse. In 2010 the government required US schools to ditch whole milk for low-fat and nonfat milk. That’s on top of the artificial dyes and sugar in the flavored milk options.

Despite the fact that kids need healthy fats, milk isn’t the best nutrient source. Certain vegetables and fish offer higher levels of calcium and are easier to absorb. Even breastmilk has less calcium than the same amount of Brazil nuts.

Then there are the added growth hormones and antibiotics. Foods like cheese and yogurt are marketed as healthy snacks for kids. The food dyes and added sugar negates the probiotics in the yogurt.

Heart Health

Since the 1980s, organizations like the American Heart Association have warned against saturated fats. While fats have made a cultural comeback in more recent years, many organizations still disapprove. The idea is that animal foods (including full-fat dairy) cause heart disease and high blood pressure.

To lower the risk of heart disease many healthcare professionals recommend choosing low and no-fat dairy products. In fact, the opposite may be true.

Recent research looked at dairy fat consumption for over 4,000 people for an average of 16 years. Those who ate the most dairy fat had lower risk factors for cardiovascular disease.

Lactose Intolerance

Research shows some people in nearly every population worldwide are lactose intolerant. The exception is groups that can trace their ancient roots to herding populations. This widespread intolerance indicates eating (or over-eating) it may be harmful. Maybe our bodies aren’t designed to digest it? … at least in large amounts.

Conversely, when was the last time you heard of someone being allergic to leafy greens?

It should at least warrant a closer look at how it affects our health. Research shows we lose some or all of our ability to digest lactose and casein after age 4. That’s also the age many cultures stop breastfeeding. As a health coach, I’ve found many people unknowingly have a dairy sensitivity or allergy. They’re used to feeling bad and don’t notice how dairy makes them feel.

Here’s an easy way to tell how your body responds to dairy. Try removing it from your diet for a month. Then add it back in and see how you feel. Many report feeling better off of dairy, while some don’t notice a difference. For some, milk consumption can cause bloating and other digestive issues.

Milk Allergies in Children

Milk allergies are now one of the most common allergies in young children. 1 in 13 kids has an allergy and many more have food sensitivities. While some children “outgrow” their allergy this may not happen until the teen years.

Thankfully, we now understand more about the window in which milk allergies form. Landmark studies show giving common allergens to 4-6 month-old babies helps reduce allergy risk by up to 80%. If I had known then what I know now, I would’ve given my kids dairy earlier. You can even get natural supplements for babies that reduce their risk of getting allergies in the first place.

Insulin Spike

A 2006 Swedish study followed 230 families. They found children on low-fat diets (including low-fat dairy) had 17% more obesity. These children also ate more sugar and had higher insulin resistance. That’s a recipe for type 2 diabetes.

Dairy, especially low-fat milk, can spike blood sugar. Carbs fuel insulin and insulin leads to metabolic syndrome and diabetes. This rise in insulin is caused by the lactose and proteins (casein) in milk. It’s much lower or non-existent in high-fat dairy foods like cream, butter, and ghee.

For many of us already on a sugar roller-coaster, milk isn’t the healthiest drink choice. Even for kids, water is often a better choice. Especially with a meal with healthy fats, protein, and vegetables. We often drink milk for its weight loss benefits, but other foods and drinks are better options

What About the Calcium?

This is often the single most quoted reason for dairy consumption. Many other foods offer more and better sources of calcium. However, even high levels of calcium can actually spur osteoporosis. Our bodies need bioavailable cofactors like vitamins D and K2 to absorb calcium for bone health. For strong bones, dairy may not be the best choice.

Dairy and Vitamin D

Its great Vitamin D is finally getting some of the recognition it deserves. We need vitamin D (especially from the sun) to function. Unfortunately, almost all dairy products are vitamin D and/or calcium-fortified. These artificially added sources aren’t easily absorbed by our bodies. You can get your vitamin D levels tested to see if you need to supplement. I recommend getting enough healthy sun exposure for the best results!

The Healthiest Kind of Dairy

Raw, organic, grass-fed, full-fat dairy products are a different type of animal. It’s been demonized because it might have harmful bacteria. It’s also what helped keep our ancestors thriving and healthy.

This type of dairy has a lot more nutrients and live enzymes than pasteurized versions. The full-fat content also mitigates some of the insulin spikes. And it makes the calcium more bioavailable.

In its fermented form, grass-fed dairy is a good source of probiotics and calcium. Fermentation also helps break down the lactose, reducing sugar levels. Butter and ghee have almost no lactose either.

Raw dairy is in its most natural form and isn’t highly processed. If you’re going to consume dairy, go for the most natural form.

Dairy Alternatives

Dairy alternatives and plant-based milk substitutes have skyrocketed in recent years. Maybe due to the rise in lactose intolerance and milk allergies. Some people opt for these because of environmental concerns. While good alternatives exist, many have their own problems.

Rice Milk

Rice milk is made by soaking and blending rice with water. And a host of other ingredients. While whole milk has a glycemic index of 39, rice milk rings in at a whopping 86 out of 100. It’s a cheap option but doesn’t have much natural nutrition. It’s low in protein and any nutrients it has are added synthetic ones. This along with the big insulin spike means I don’t recommend it.

Soy Milk

Soy milk is made with soybeans, water, and a host of other gums, starches, and fillers. Like other unfermented soy products, it has high levels of phytoestrogens. These can cause hormonal imbalances, especially for boys and young women. Most soy is also GMO and heavily sprayed with pesticides.

You can read more about the issues with soy here and why I don’t recommend it.

Almond Milk

Almond milk is slightly better than the other two options above. To avoid fillers and sugars, I suggest making it yourself. This is also the cheapest option! If you opt for the store-bought versions, go for unsweetened. Most almond groves are heavily sprayed with pesticides so opt for organic. Cashew or pecan milk is also easy to make with the same method.

Oat Milk

The newer kid on the block, many are flocking to oat milk. Like other milk alternatives, the store-bought versions are fortified with vitamins. It has a higher fat and calorie content than almond milk, making it creamier. I mostly stay away from grains (even whole grains) and eat properly prepared grains in moderation. However, oat milk isn’t at the top of my list for healthy eating choices.

Oats are often high in glyphosate residue. They’re also naturally high in maltose, a sugar that causes insulin spikes. Rolled oats don’t offer much nutrition, so homemade oat milk doesn’t have a great nutrient profile.

Macadamia Nut Milk

This is an ultra-creamy alternative to almond milk and high in mono-unsaturated fats. I’ll often make this at home. When I don’t make it, I buy it from Thrive Market).

Coconut Milk

In my opinion, coconut milk is the best alternative to cow’s milk. They don’t actually have milk in them, but rather a high-electrolyte juice (aka coconut water). It’s great for replenishing electrolytes after illness or a workout.

Coconut milk is made from a blend of coconut fats and fibers. You’ll find healthy fatty acids in coconut milk, but not as much as in coconut oil. It’s also a good choice for kids because of the healthy fats. You can even try making your own!

Canned coconut milk is less processed than the carton in the refrigerator section of the grocery store. It also works differently in recipes.

Goat Milk

Goat milk is more like human breast milk so some think it’s a better alternative to drink. It does tend to create less of a reaction for some than cow’s milk. You can find goat milk kefir and cheese at most grocery stores. You might be able to find raw, pastured, or organic goat’s milk from local farmers.

Camel Milk

Uh yep, it’s a thing! We’ve actually tried it and my kids love it! Camel milk has a different protein structure from dairy and a whole variety of naturally occurring nutrients. Give it a try, although I’m guessing you’ll want to read more about it first.

Is Dairy Healthy? The Bottom Line

In the end, dairy is a subject of much debate in the health community. At our house, we eat moderate amounts of raw, aged cheeses and high-fat dairy like butter, raw, heavy cream, and ghee. We don’t drink milk or eat processed dairy foods. We also eat lots of fish, leafy vegetables, and nuts for calcium. For vitamin D we’re sure to get healthy sun exposure.

Tolerance to dairy varies by person. Some have no trouble with it, and others react heavily. Some people find that they’re unable to lose weight on dairy. To find out how your body responds, try getting rid of it completely for a month and see how you do.

Do you eat dairy or use dairy alternatives? Share below!

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About Katie Wells

Katie Wells, CTNC, MCHC, Founder of Wellness Mama and Co-founder of Wellnesse, has a background in research, journalism, and nutrition. As a mom of six, she turned to research and took health into her own hands to find answers to her health problems. WellnessMama.com is the culmination of her thousands of hours of research and all posts are medically reviewed and verified by the Wellness Mama research team. Katie is also the author of the bestselling books The Wellness Mama Cookbook and The Wellness Mama 5-Step Lifestyle Detox.

Comments

118 responses to “Is Dairy Healthy or Dangerous?”

  1. Laura Avatar

    Wow, I really love how you write, it’s so clear and easy to understand, but at the same time, quite elaborate and justified! I really want to cut out dairy (because i simply can’t afford raw, full fat, unpasteurized milk on my tight student’s budget) but what are the other sources of calcium you talk about? Bone broth, dark leafy greens…?

    1. Wellness Mama Avatar
      Wellness Mama

      Bone broth is great, so are bone-in sardines, meat cooked on the bone and leafy veggies…Most people need magnesium much more than calcium though…

      1. MARIA Avatar

        How can you cook bone broth without the stove running for at least 24 hrs? Not a
        safe idea unless you have someone watch it while you are sleeping…Any suggestions?
        Is a 8-12 hr chicken bone broth as effective? Otherwise a waste of time and money.
        Thank you.. not comfortable leaving a stove on all night without supervison.

        1. Noel Nicole Avatar
          Noel Nicole

          A croc pot is great for making bone broth. You can leave it on without supervision and the heat is easily controlled. Make sure that your croc pot has a lead free glaze on the insert, as long periods of heating can cause the lead to leech from the glaze and into the food.

  2. Mary Avatar

    What are your thoughts on cottage cheese? 13grams of protein in the container I bought today.. Thanks!

  3. Frances Avatar

    Do you know of any medical studies that link lactose intolerance to Diabetes?

  4. Tiffany Avatar
    Tiffany

    Great post! I have been following your blog for a while now and your blog is a lot of help. However, where I live (Canada) selling raw milk is illegal. The best I can find is 100% grass fed (hay in the winter) non homogenized milk that has been pasteurize with an HTST (where the milk is heated to the required temp for 30 seconds then rapidly cooled). They also have a full fat plain yogurt made from that milk. My question is if it’s still safe or good to cosume those products? Like if I were to have about half a cup of that yogurt per day?

    1. Danielle Avatar
      Danielle

      Hello! Where do you buy your milk because I live in canada as well and I can’t find anyone around that even does low heat pasteurization! I live in Alberta. Maybe they ship? I found a place in Florida that will ship to canada but wow that seems like A long way to go.

  5. Naveen Avatar

    HI Your website is helping me a lot ! Thanks for all the information !!

    Regarding milk, I found a place who sell non-pasteurized, non-homogenized, unprocessed, natural, probiotic milk. I have a question though, can i heat the milk in microwave before i drink ? or is that pasteurizing the milk ?

    Please let me know !

    Thanks in advance !!

    1. Wellness Mama Avatar
      Wellness Mama

      Heating it in the microwave will change the structure! If you are comfortable with the source, I’d avoid the microwave and just drink as is…

  6. Maggie Avatar

    Thanks, this is great to know. I went by our whole foods market and tried to get some coconut milk after looking at the recipes and a friend of mine recommended that I get the goat milk instead. What are your thoughts on goat milk? You didn’t really say much about it except that it is similar to breast milk and that contains less calcium.

    1. Wellness Mama Avatar
      Wellness Mama

      For those who aren’t dairy sensitive, it can be a great option, just look for organic and grass fed… (raw is even better)

  7. Elitza Avatar

    This is all wonderful, but it does not do much for us if raw milk is prohibited for sale by law (I am from Canada). Reading this is only frustrating me, to be honest. I drink whole organic milk, organic cheese, and organic greek yogurt, and this is the best I can do. I wonder if they are healthy, and hope for the best. I asked the company that makes the milk if it comes from grass-fed animals and they said that the animals “graze in the field but not during the winter, although they do go outside for regular exercise”, whatever this is supposed to mean.
    I feel safe(ish) drinking organic milk&cheese. Are they still good if they are organic but not raw?
    It is so frustrating to know that the best option is illegal. And to hear about raw aged cheese, luxuries we cannot access, not by choice.

    1. Wellness Mama Avatar
      Wellness Mama

      That is frustrating… I know there are grassroots efforts trying to get the laws changed on raw milk both in Canada and in parts of the US. Organic is definitely preferable to conventional though!

    2. Noel Nicole Avatar
      Noel Nicole

      Regarding your earlier comment: “” Graze in the field but not during the winter, although they do go outside for regular exercise,” whatever this is supposed to mean.” I take it you are confused as to how this influences the dairy products you buy from the company. I’m assuming that the company is based in Canada, so the farms most likely feed grass hay in the winter with a grain supplement (this adds vitamins and fats that are lacking from the grass hay that the cow would normally get from fresh grass in the summer). If they are certified organic, this means organic hay and organic grain.

      The fact that the cows go outside for regular exercise is another awesome bonus. Being Canada I’m sure the winters are cold, so the cows are more than likely stabled inside at night when temperatures drop and let out during the day when it is warmer. Letting the cows outside, instead of tied up in a stall 24/7 during the winter increases the cleanliness of the cows, as they are able to find clean snow to lay in and the stalls can get properly cleaned out while the cows are outside. This decreases the chance of contamination in the dairy products. Also, happy cows produce more milk because they are less stressed; getting outside in the fresh air and allowing the cows to romp naturally decreases stress. I like this company and if I lived in Canada, would prefer to buy my dairy products from this company.

  8. Christina Avatar
    Christina

    We don’t have easy access to raw dairy where we live (closest raw dairy farmer is about 2 hours away). I did, however, find a local dairy farm where the cows are grass fed and the milk is vat pasteurized (low temperature). If I were to buy butter or cream from them, is that a better alternative to store bought stuff? Also, they sell non-homogenized whole milk, what is your opinion on that?

    1. Wellness Mama Avatar
      Wellness Mama

      Those would definitely be better options than the store bought stuff.

  9. Bridget Avatar

    To piggy-back on Alyssa’s comment, what do you give your babies after they turn 1, and doctors say to switch to whole milk? 

    1. Wellness Mama Avatar
      Wellness Mama

      We just don’t do dairy at all… really no need. We occasionally use coconut milk in recipes or to drink, but I know that with their diet (lots of bone broth, sardines, fish, etc) they get plenty of calcium.

      1. Chuck Avatar

        What are your thoughts about Whey? Keeping in mind there all types Whey, such as Whey concentrates which is said to be superior to Whey isolates. There are minimally heated or process Wheys and Whey with little or no sugar added. Also, Whey tends to be naturally very low in lactose.

  10. Joan Avatar

    I would like to learn more about how grains leach calcium from your bones? This is the opposite of what I’ve read about the health benefits of whole grains, brown rice, quinoa, etc.

    1. Wellness Mama Avatar
      Wellness Mama

      Grains are high in phytic acid, which is harmful to the body and must be neutralized. The main part of phytic acid is the mineral phosphorus, which is tightly bound in a molecular structure. Since humans are one-stomached animals, we don’t have the proper digestive function to break down this molecule, so it passes through the digestive system. The “arms” of the Phytic acid molecule are tightly connected and can bind to other minerals as it passes through the body (calcium, magnesium, etc).

      1. Sonia Hvozdulycz Avatar
        Sonia Hvozdulycz

        I read that only whole grains are a problem regarding phytic acid. So white bread (esp. home made and raised overnight) would be a good choice if you like starches – we are not all prediabetic and some people can certainly handle a certain amount of such heavy starch. Also, sprouting, long soaking prior to cooking, baking, etc. are options if you want to consume a whole grain.

        Norman Walker of juicing & (mostly) raw food fame, strongly advises against the consumption of heavy starches such as those found in grain. He considered them the worst excuse for food imaginable. His raw food (chiefly vegetables but occasional fruit) recipes also contain some cottage cheese and, occasionally, Swiss cheese. For special occasions he includes egg yolks and baked dishes. For those who wish to avoid meat, paleo or keto regimens, his ideas appear sound to me. Thanks.

  11. Aura Avatar

    That’s good to hear! There are some things that just don’t taste right with coconut oil, and butter is the only alternative I can think of since you can’t cook with olive oil except in certain low temperature circumstances. Thanks!

    1. sherri Avatar

      how about ghee? rather than butter, often I cook with ghee. it tolerates a higher heat point, too. you can make your own, from butter, even.

  12. Aura Avatar

    How bad would organic, pasteurized butter be? I can’t get unpasteurized butter where I live.

    1. Ingrid Avatar

      Are you able to get raw, unpasteurised milk? If so you can make your own butter. Just allow the cream to separate to the top, then scoop out the cream into a food processor. Mix on high for about 15 minutes until clumping and buttermilk is separating and voila! Butter! Type ‘how to make raw butter’ into youtube and there are some video tutorials. =)

    2. Sherri Avatar

      I would suggest using organic butter freely, but if you can find pasture raised butter that would be better. Kerrygold is the brand I like to use, but there are others. Also, if you depend only on green leafy veggies for your calcium, it would be best to eat them with a traditional fat, such as butter or olive oil as that makes the fat soluble vitamins more available.

    3. sherri Avatar

      if you cannot find raw butter, or don’t like the taste so much, just make sure your butter is from pasture raised cows. like kerrygold brand. I like a local one in my area when I can get it. oh, and organic.

  13. Gina Hoffman Avatar
    Gina Hoffman

    Where is the best place to find raw, unpasterized milk? We have recently been buying Horizen Organic Milk? And can you please give me some examples of what kind of cheeses I should buy. Cheese is my absolutely  favorite food. I don’t think I can give it up. I love reading your blog. Thank you!

    1. Michael Farinha Avatar
      Michael Farinha

      Gina,

      To find raw unpasturized milk you’ll have to check out http://www.realmilk.com. Until you do find a local souce I’d suggest NOT buying Horizon’s milk because their cows are feed a diet of grains and their milk is Ultra Pasturized. Check out http://www.cornucopia.org/ to find name brands that have good quality milk. And avoid Ultra Pasturized completely.

  14. Valerie Avatar

    I’m a 47 year old African American woman.  At my annual exam today, my doctor asked me if I drink milk or eat cheese and yogurt.  When I responded that I eat some cheese, not much yogurt and primarily drink coconut milk, she told me I probably wasn’t getting enough calcium and should take a supplement.  She didn’t question my intake of dark, leafy greens or canned fish.  She also didn’t ask me if I supplement with vitamin D in any way.  I have learned to ignore some of her advice as I realize she is mainstream western medicine, but I’m unsure of what to do about the calcium supplement.  Your thoughts?

    1. Wellness Mama Avatar
      Wellness Mama

      If you are eating a lot of meats, veggies, etc, you are probably fine on calcium, plus you don’t have the grains leeching calcium from your bones while you digest them. If you want to be sure you are getting enough, and improve skin and hair in the process, just start eating homemade bone broth a few times a week!

    2. Bibi Avatar

      Hi. You mentioned introducing dairy to 4-6 month old will help reduce milk allergy. I’m exclusively breastfeeding my 4 month old son and was wondering the best way to do it. Is exposing him to dairy through my breastmilk enough or should I supplement with raw dairy foods? Thank you for everything you do!!!

  15. Kuwanna Avatar
    Kuwanna

    This is very interesting to me, as I have been lactose intolerant for years (except when pregnant) and have opted for rice milk since it is said to be less ‘processed’ than soy milk. I have flirted with almond milk and like it better…expecially after reading this! always thought unpasteurized meant it could likely make you sick. My daughter will be two in June and we had planned to switch her to 1% milk, but then again I was raised on whole milk and did just fine. Perhaps whole and unpasteurized is the way to go.

    Thank you very much for sharing this. I really appreciate your blog.

  16. Liz Avatar

    We drink loads and loads of raw cow’s milk in our house. My 5 year old son, who is allergic to milk, tolerates raw milk completely without issue. As soon as we switched to raw milk, I noticed that both of my kids had huge growth spurts! I know some people think that milk is relatively new in the human diet, but I’ve read that European peoples started using milk some 8,000-10,000 years ago, and that’s long enough for me! 🙂

    1. Wellness Mama Avatar

      We do raw dairy when we consume it, and I agree that it is completely different than pasteurized… it also does typically have less of a potential for problem than grains or an abundance of seed oils. I’ve met a lot of people who swear by it, and i can definitely see the benefits.

      1. Negg Avatar

        Raw milk as ingredient in cooked/baked food is fine. Raw milk “as is” has pathogens in addition to all those health benefits you mention, that will not be helpful when your child gets sick from it. You do readers a disservice by telling them pasteurization is for shelf life. Pasteurization is to reduce & or eliminate pathogens in raw milk such as Listeria, Campylobacter, Salmonella & E.coli including O157 strains. The additional “shelf life” provided by pasteurization is minimal and the need for it is due to the evolving environment and emerging pathogens. As a microbiologist, former dairy farmer and a Mom, I’m disappointed at your repeated omission of critical food safety facts and sad for all of the children that repeatedly get sick (& die) because of the disregard for all of the facts/information.

        1. Cindy Hentrich Avatar
          Cindy Hentrich

          You will find those same pathogens in raw veggies and fruit. There are far more people getting sick from foods that you buy in the grocery store including fresh fruits and vegetables ,meat, fish, eggs, etc., but we still buy and eat those foods.The news is always announcing recalls due to large amounts of people becoming sickened by foodborne bacteria. Raw milk is as safe, or safer, than other foods as long as you do your research and find a farmer who uses very aseptic practices with the collection and very quick cool down of the milk in specialized tanks. I have one that grows his own non-GMO corn for use in the winter with fodder, and whose cows graze all day on green grass in the summer. It’s the best milk I’ve ever tasted, and makes awesome yogurt and kefir. My cholesterol is the best it’s ever been. So RAW milk is safe as long as you know your farmer and they are willing to show you the practices they use in collecting the milk and cooling it. We need to improve the handling of all food and not ban foods that have so many healing properties to the body. If we are going to stop eating/drinking all foods that have had bacteria in and sickened people in the past, we’d all still be drinking ONLY our mother’s milk.

        2. Sonia Hvozdulycz Avatar
          Sonia Hvozdulycz

          @Negg. I tend to agree with you. My mother, born 1925, prepared food the way she learned at home on the farm from her settler parents. Her family and we, too, never drank plain milk. Always it was heated (though not boiled) and taken with porridge or home made noodles, etc. So I never liked the taste of milk, still don’t.

          As to raw milk, most of us don’t have access to it. If I want raw dairy I have to buy raw milk hard cheese which by law has to be aged for at least 60 days in salt. That would kill the germs you refer to.

    2. Sherri Avatar

      you can find references that dairy began to be consumed about 10,000 years ago. that IS when agriculture began, as we know it today. however, there was a different type of “agriculture” earlier, where people sort of weeded or cared for certain plants and took out other plants without plowing the soil and destroying huge tracts of land and water. onto dairy, tho’. nomads followed herds, captured, milked and released. this was true for the mongolians and the finns. this was done with different herbivores. reindeer being one herd animal that tolerated this.

      i like to get people to wonder — who domesticated whom? did WE domesticate, for example, the turkey? or did it domesticate us? same question for the goat and the cow.

      1. Yanaba Avatar

        Hey i’ve been researching this myself.. Could you point me to some info regarding what u just stated in terms of agriculture and domestication? It does seem that slavery and domestication of all species goes hand in hand… Henry David Thoreau said it best in “Waldens Pond”

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